MiloFrance

Hi all
Anyon have a clue about this? A hint from a friend that it might be an Italian brand selling into the french market, but of course web searches simply come up with all the other Milan SanRemo related items

Hope you're all in fine fettle.
Milo

juvela

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yes, name makes one wonder if transfers could be one of those generic sets available online such as TdF, World Champion, etc.

lug pattern is Prugnat 62/d

one major italian producer who employed this pattern extensively for the quality models was Cesare Rizzato, maker of Atala, Lygie & other marques

their products often show the frame size stamped in two places on the underside of the bottom bracket shell

another spot to check for possible markings is the cycle's steerer


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MiloFrance

Turns out it's one of these. Anyone know anything about them please?

juvela

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full name seems to be Eurociclo - Castenaso - Bologna

above transfer dates from 1970's

next step might be to determine if the entity is an actual manufacturer or if it represents a house brand for a retailer

cycle appears to hail from the early 1970's so there has been a half century for any entity behind it to have ceased play

perhaps a forum member who is fluent in Italian could try telephoning the number on the above transfer to see if they be yet in operation

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EDIT:

name appears to be that of a retail shop

here is an advert from 1971:



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Milo -

you do not state clearly if cycle in your possession or not

me guess be not

if in your possession you could make some closeup detail images of spots such as joinery of taper tubes to ends, bottom bracket shell, seat cluster, bridges, etc. which would be helpful to a frame detective such as MauriceMoss

another avenue to explore would be to look at cycle examples produced by makers in and surrounding Bologna

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MiloFrance

With you on the date, seller says '73, the rear Mech is Pat.75.

juvela

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saddle pillar may be a replacement

do not think this model of 3TTT launched quite that early

since rear mech a replacement we can speculate as to what may have been there previously...


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MiloFrance

At the moment of first post I was not.
I now am.
Photos will be taken soon!

MiloFrance

So this is going to be a can we identify it by the craftsmanship challenge...

The seat stay tops are just beautiful and slightly concave. Much longer than most as well.

juvela

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thank you for the new images

from what can be seen of shell looks like it may be a BOCAMA Professional





at first glance thought seat stay plugs would turn out to be a Columbus pattern but do not see a match in the materials have here

hath thee discovered a serial?

any markings on underside of bottom bracket shell?

perchance in a future post you shall be able to include imagery of crown

paint finish is a pearl rather than a metallic, not very common at this era on an Italy product

images of the Prugnat 62/d ensemble without cutouts:






it may be that the Prugnat 62/ serie lug set used for the frame has a differing subscript not shown in the materials have here

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MiloFrance

juvela you are a wonder. I'm going to spend the next few years looking at seatstay caps to see if I can see a match...

juvela

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here are a couple illustrations from catalogue pages to show what the plugs look like loose -







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DCI Moss will likely be able to identify the maker of your frame in no time upon the occasion of his next forum visit

if this thread has fallen off the front page and you see he is online you can give him a ding


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JacekM

Pogliaghi style

MiloFrance

I can confirm that it rides beautifully. Saddle up slightly and a change of pedals was all that was needed but I think I will find a second wheel set for it as it has tubs and I prefer a bit more repairability!

JacekM Pogliaghi is an interesting opinion, it's also a brand I know nothing about, did they make frames for other people?

John E

Whatever it is, it indeed looks to be a great find!

repechage

I won a 3ttt seat post in a race in Spring 1974. My guess as shops often donated “stranded” inventory as bike race prizes, it was around in 1973.
I liked the post and used it on my first track bike.

juvela

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since it did not fit in with the balance of the kitting one conjecture i thought of was that the owner may have had the pillar and saddle stolen when the machine was locked up

this happened to me on one of my Cinellis, the thief got a Campag Record factory relieved pillar and an Ideale 92KR saddle in tan; just think of the replacement cost of those two items in today's market



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JacekM

MiloFrance:
Pogliaghi is a legendary Italian brand (especially pogliaghi italcorse - I am looking for such a frame ) Manufacturer based in Milan and Eddy Merckx used Pogliaghi frames.

MiloFrance

I'm aware of the brand, just not their history. I've just had a quick look around the internet and they do have a habit of punching numbers at the top of the seat tube, I also found one with the nice long point seat stay caps.
Being only 2 hours by road away from Bologna, it's possible that the shop ordered frames from them. That would be quite exciting!

MiloFrance

My Sunday night consists of Pogliaghi research.

The cutouts of the head tube lugs with the more pointy sides rather than heart shaped is also visible on some internet frames.
I was also thinking about the lack of serial number but they had a (from what I read) very specific numbering system but making for another shop perhaps they simply didn't bother? The position of the 59 frame size is consistent though.

repechage

Grand Theft.

MiloFrance

And the suggested penalties would be?

repechage

No idea. at the minimum, return of items in good shape.

juvela

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wrt Sante -

the California framebuilder Ed Litton has one he purchased new in about nineteen seventy from Sugden & Lynch in Menlo Park California

it was built about nineteen sixty-nine which would place it close in time to your example

have seen images of it online in the past

when attempted to seek them out just now reached a dead end

had thought it would be interesting to look at the details to see how it compares to your machine

if am able to discover any pictures will glue them into the textile


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MiloFrance

For any detectives passing by...


Nicely done brakebridge but thin plates and minimal brazing


Very deep fish mouth ends on the fork as well


Like the break bridge the chain stay bridge as minimal braising and thin Steel


Top view

juvela

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thank you for the additional images

can see cycle slightly later than had been thinking

ROTO was first manufacturer to offer investment cast frame bits - year was 1973



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