Walmart is biker friendly
06-20-08, 09:07 AM
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Replying to an old thread doesn't make sense, because the person you're replying to has most likely moved on. At the very least, they've moved on from that issue.
Starting a new thread to ask a question that's already been asked doesn't make sense, unless you have reason to believe that the answers have changed.
Starting a new thread to rant about something that's frequently ranted about is a wee bit selfish.
Abusing minimum-wage retail workers who are only doing their job is the act of a bully.
Shopping at Wal-Mart is cutting your own throat.
Starting a new thread to ask a question that's already been asked doesn't make sense, unless you have reason to believe that the answers have changed.
Starting a new thread to rant about something that's frequently ranted about is a wee bit selfish.
Abusing minimum-wage retail workers who are only doing their job is the act of a bully.
Shopping at Wal-Mart is cutting your own throat.
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Replying to an old thread doesn't make sense, because the person you're replying to has most likely moved on. At the very least, they've moved on from that issue.
Starting a new thread to ask a question that's already been asked doesn't make sense, unless you have reason to believe that the answers have changed.
Starting a new thread to rant about something that's frequently ranted about is a wee bit selfish.
Abusing minimum-wage retail workers who are only doing their job is the act of a bully.
Shopping at Wal-Mart is cutting your own throat.
Starting a new thread to ask a question that's already been asked doesn't make sense, unless you have reason to believe that the answers have changed.
Starting a new thread to rant about something that's frequently ranted about is a wee bit selfish.
Abusing minimum-wage retail workers who are only doing their job is the act of a bully.
Shopping at Wal-Mart is cutting your own throat.
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Based on Walmart's track record...the one in the OP has probably been abandoned and a NEW Super Center has disgraced the landscape a couple of miles away.
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Here people would wonder wtf you were doing with you bike indoors, and then I am sure the staff of a the business would ask you to leave, if not call security.
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I work as a service technician at the Wal-Mart auto center. I bring my bike inside everyday, and line it up against the gate that separates the customers from the auto bays.
I usually end up walking it out through the store at the end of the day. Our store has one of those far-from-the-front-door bike racks. The local Meijer stores, however, have one rack by every entrance. I buy groceries there =c)>
I usually end up walking it out through the store at the end of the day. Our store has one of those far-from-the-front-door bike racks. The local Meijer stores, however, have one rack by every entrance. I buy groceries there =c)>
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You have a right to loathe Walmart and there are many Americans feel the same. Unfortunately, most of these are people who dont shop at Walmart and dont need to (I'm not saying you fall into this either of these categories).
I would like to highlight a couple of things about Walmart that invariably gets lost in the media frenzy: they have played a key role in drastically improving the quality of life for Americans who need it the most, those with low incomes, as well as a large chunk of others who are not "poor" but like to stretch their dollar as much as they can. btw this is the way a market economy (as ours is) works: if you can get away with charging a high price, you do. If you choose to attract business by charging low prices, that's your choice as a business owner - but no business can force consumers to buy from them. Consumers buy because they see value, perceived or not.
Yes low prices are small consolation to those that lose their jobs because of outsourcing, but it is incorrect and unfair to blame Walmart solely or largely for this. We have been outsourcing for much longer than Walmart has been in existence. And manufacturing has been in a steady decline for a very long time as well, again much before Walmart came into the picture. In the past you could earn a very comfortable living with little education or skills - that's quickly disappearing and again that's across the board, not just at Walmart and it's certainly not a new or recent phenomenon
FD: I shop occasionally at Walmart and I think their products are great value
We are now outsourcing white collar jobs like IT, research etc, and again there is/was a huge outcry that we were losing Intellectual Property etc, but the fact remains that you always outsource the "low-value", repetitive, mundane tasks and concentrate on the value-adding tasks such as conceptual design, ideas, marketing - and that's what we are good at.
Again that's small consolation for those who've lost their jobs it's what keeps us strong and competitive as a nation.
Just my thoughts
I would like to highlight a couple of things about Walmart that invariably gets lost in the media frenzy: they have played a key role in drastically improving the quality of life for Americans who need it the most, those with low incomes, as well as a large chunk of others who are not "poor" but like to stretch their dollar as much as they can. btw this is the way a market economy (as ours is) works: if you can get away with charging a high price, you do. If you choose to attract business by charging low prices, that's your choice as a business owner - but no business can force consumers to buy from them. Consumers buy because they see value, perceived or not.
Yes low prices are small consolation to those that lose their jobs because of outsourcing, but it is incorrect and unfair to blame Walmart solely or largely for this. We have been outsourcing for much longer than Walmart has been in existence. And manufacturing has been in a steady decline for a very long time as well, again much before Walmart came into the picture. In the past you could earn a very comfortable living with little education or skills - that's quickly disappearing and again that's across the board, not just at Walmart and it's certainly not a new or recent phenomenon
FD: I shop occasionally at Walmart and I think their products are great value
We are now outsourcing white collar jobs like IT, research etc, and again there is/was a huge outcry that we were losing Intellectual Property etc, but the fact remains that you always outsource the "low-value", repetitive, mundane tasks and concentrate on the value-adding tasks such as conceptual design, ideas, marketing - and that's what we are good at.
Again that's small consolation for those who've lost their jobs it's what keeps us strong and competitive as a nation.
Just my thoughts
I loathe Wal-Mart. Disregarding the economic damage they do to local businesses and the negative effect they have on manufacturing in the US......
They sell cheap crap and their customer service is horrid.
Treebound has a great point. That's one issue that might be worth a threatening letter from an attorney. Sexism isn't correct, regardless of the gender of the victim. I'm not saying "SUE 'EM", but a letter from an attorney letting them know that they are opening themselves up for a possible lawsuit from someone less reasonable than you might not be a bad idea.
And I never did understand the "safety" argument when banning bicycles. Have they actually seen how their customers drive their cars and pilot the shopping carts? I'd think that one guy wheeling his bike in to secure it to something solid would be the least of their safety worries.
Seriously - if at all possible, I avoid Wal-Mart like the plague.
They sell cheap crap and their customer service is horrid.
Treebound has a great point. That's one issue that might be worth a threatening letter from an attorney. Sexism isn't correct, regardless of the gender of the victim. I'm not saying "SUE 'EM", but a letter from an attorney letting them know that they are opening themselves up for a possible lawsuit from someone less reasonable than you might not be a bad idea.
And I never did understand the "safety" argument when banning bicycles. Have they actually seen how their customers drive their cars and pilot the shopping carts? I'd think that one guy wheeling his bike in to secure it to something solid would be the least of their safety worries.
Seriously - if at all possible, I avoid Wal-Mart like the plague.
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That's HILLARIOUS.
I used to ride around my wally world all the time with my buddies at insane hours of the night...but we would do it on office chairs we got from their furniture dept. They didn't care for this much. My new goal is to see if I can ride in, walk a couple isles with my bike, get something, go through the self checkout thing and ride out. Wonder if it'd be possible. That'd be a real laugh for sure.
That's HILLARIOUS.
I used to ride around my wally world all the time with my buddies at insane hours of the night...but we would do it on office chairs we got from their furniture dept. They didn't care for this much. My new goal is to see if I can ride in, walk a couple isles with my bike, get something, go through the self checkout thing and ride out. Wonder if it'd be possible. That'd be a real laugh for sure.
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You have a right to loathe Walmart and there are many Americans feel the same. Unfortunately, most of these are people who dont shop at Walmart and dont need to (I'm not saying you fall into this either of these categories).
I would like to highlight a couple of things about Walmart that invariably gets lost in the media frenzy: they have played a key role in drastically improving the quality of life for Americans who need it the most, those with low incomes, as well as a large chunk of others who are not "poor" but like to stretch their dollar as much as they can. btw this is the way a market economy (as ours is) works: if you can get away with charging a high price, you do. If you choose to attract business by charging low prices, that's your choice as a business owner - but no business can force consumers to buy from them. Consumers buy because they see value, perceived or not.
I would like to highlight a couple of things about Walmart that invariably gets lost in the media frenzy: they have played a key role in drastically improving the quality of life for Americans who need it the most, those with low incomes, as well as a large chunk of others who are not "poor" but like to stretch their dollar as much as they can. btw this is the way a market economy (as ours is) works: if you can get away with charging a high price, you do. If you choose to attract business by charging low prices, that's your choice as a business owner - but no business can force consumers to buy from them. Consumers buy because they see value, perceived or not.
Ok, I guess I'm going to get this sent to P&R....
1) No, I don't "need" to shop at wal-mart. Honestly though, I'm having trouble understanding why anyone does. Most of what I buy comes from ebay, craigslist, or some etailer -- all of which arrive at my door at a lower price and probably higher quality than what I could get at Wal-Mart.
2) Wal-Mart isn't truly selling at a "lower price". For me, that would imply they're selling the same item for less money. What they're typically doing instead, is manufacturing a lower quality item and then selling that at a lower price. Not the same thing.
I'm simply not buying that they're improving anyone's quality of life. They're systematically eliminating HUGE numbers of working class jobs in this country. They're eliminating full-time retail jobs with benefits, by not making them available to their own employees, and by running retailers who were providing it out of business. They're eliminating tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs by offshoring all production.
No, they're not the only ones, but they're a very major contributor. Imagine how many manufacturing jobs Wal-Mart creates in countries around the world. These are all jobs that aren't available in our country. These are jobs needed by the very people who now "need" low quality, low price goods.
When we eliminated the farming jobs, some moved to the factories. When we eliminated the factory jobs, some moved to knowledge jobs. The problem is, not all people are cut out for these jobs, for one reason or another. They might not have any other options. Of course, globalization is removing the knowledge jobs now as well, so everyone better hope they either have a service job, or are REALLY good at what they do. In the end, it's the people at the bottom, without the mobility and flexibility that get screwed every time.
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Ok, I guess I'm going to get this sent to P&R....
1) No, I don't "need" to shop at wal-mart. Honestly though, I'm having trouble understanding why anyone does. Most of what I buy comes from ebay, craigslist, or some etailer -- all of which arrive at my door at a lower price and probably higher quality than what I could get at Wal-Mart.
2) Wal-Mart isn't truly selling at a "lower price". For me, that would imply they're selling the same item for less money. What they're typically doing instead, is manufacturing a lower quality item and then selling that at a lower price. Not the same thing.
I'm simply not buying that they're improving anyone's quality of life. They're systematically eliminating HUGE numbers of working class jobs in this country. They're eliminating full-time retail jobs with benefits, by not making them available to their own employees, and by running retailers who were providing it out of business. They're eliminating tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs by offshoring all production.
No, they're not the only ones, but they're a very major contributor. Imagine how many manufacturing jobs Wal-Mart creates in countries around the world. These are all jobs that aren't available in our country. These are jobs needed by the very people who now "need" low quality, low price goods.
When we eliminated the farming jobs, some moved to the factories. When we eliminated the factory jobs, some moved to knowledge jobs. The problem is, not all people are cut out for these jobs, for one reason or another. They might not have any other options. Of course, globalization is removing the knowledge jobs now as well, so everyone better hope they either have a service job, or are REALLY good at what they do. In the end, it's the people at the bottom, without the mobility and flexibility that get screwed every time.
1) No, I don't "need" to shop at wal-mart. Honestly though, I'm having trouble understanding why anyone does. Most of what I buy comes from ebay, craigslist, or some etailer -- all of which arrive at my door at a lower price and probably higher quality than what I could get at Wal-Mart.
2) Wal-Mart isn't truly selling at a "lower price". For me, that would imply they're selling the same item for less money. What they're typically doing instead, is manufacturing a lower quality item and then selling that at a lower price. Not the same thing.
I'm simply not buying that they're improving anyone's quality of life. They're systematically eliminating HUGE numbers of working class jobs in this country. They're eliminating full-time retail jobs with benefits, by not making them available to their own employees, and by running retailers who were providing it out of business. They're eliminating tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs by offshoring all production.
No, they're not the only ones, but they're a very major contributor. Imagine how many manufacturing jobs Wal-Mart creates in countries around the world. These are all jobs that aren't available in our country. These are jobs needed by the very people who now "need" low quality, low price goods.
When we eliminated the farming jobs, some moved to the factories. When we eliminated the factory jobs, some moved to knowledge jobs. The problem is, not all people are cut out for these jobs, for one reason or another. They might not have any other options. Of course, globalization is removing the knowledge jobs now as well, so everyone better hope they either have a service job, or are REALLY good at what they do. In the end, it's the people at the bottom, without the mobility and flexibility that get screwed every time.
Anyway...enough weird brain spooge...I saw a show on tv about wally world once that really put it all in perspective. I think it was referenced in this thread once already. I highly recommend checking it out. Saw one about ebay that was 2405982039582345 times cooler, too...if you see either on while clicking around, check them out.
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The Wal-Mart here in Lincoln is not too good for being bicycle friendly. There is a bike rack next to the cart push-in, but I don't trust the employees to not mess with my bike seeing how they all look like child molesters :/ There is an old guy that used to work there named Howard that would watch my bike for me, but he no longer works there and since then I have not ridden my bike to Wal-Mart.
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"Wal-mart, the only store where employees universally hate their employer." I think it should be their new slogan, it's more accurate than the drivel about low prices.
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I've took my folding bike inside the Asian Food Center by my house. Almost nobody even looked at it oddly.
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Ok, I guess I'm going to get this sent to P&R....
1) No, I don't "need" to shop at wal-mart. Honestly though, I'm having trouble understanding why anyone does. Most of what I buy comes from ebay, craigslist, or some etailer -- all of which arrive at my door at a lower price and probably higher quality than what I could get at Wal-Mart.
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I'm simply not buying that they're improving anyone's quality of life. They're systematically eliminating HUGE numbers of working class jobs in this country. They're eliminating full-time retail jobs with benefits, by not making them available to their own employees, and by running retailers who were providing it out of business. They're eliminating tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs by offshoring all production.
1) No, I don't "need" to shop at wal-mart. Honestly though, I'm having trouble understanding why anyone does. Most of what I buy comes from ebay, craigslist, or some etailer -- all of which arrive at my door at a lower price and probably higher quality than what I could get at Wal-Mart.
<snip>
I'm simply not buying that they're improving anyone's quality of life. They're systematically eliminating HUGE numbers of working class jobs in this country. They're eliminating full-time retail jobs with benefits, by not making them available to their own employees, and by running retailers who were providing it out of business. They're eliminating tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs by offshoring all production.
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I went to my local Walmart the other day and saw someone had parked a bike inside the store by the carts. I usually lock up to trash can on the sidewalk of the plaza.
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I'm a history buff so I'm just hanging out here on this ancient thread. Wow soak up all this history - a six yeard old thread!
We don't have walmart where I live and I'm actually pretty glad we don't.
We don't have walmart where I live and I'm actually pretty glad we don't.
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I would like to highlight a couple of things about Walmart that invariably gets lost in the media frenzy: they have played a key role in drastically improving the quality of life for Americans who need it the most, those with low incomes, as well as a large chunk of others who are not "poor" but like to stretch their dollar as much as they can.
btw this is the way a market economy (as ours is) works: if you can get away with charging a high price, you do. If you choose to attract business by charging low prices, that's your choice as a business owner - but no business can force consumers to buy from them. Consumers buy because they see value, perceived or not.
Yes low prices are small consolation to those that lose their jobs because of outsourcing, but it is incorrect and unfair to blame Walmart solely or largely for this. We have been outsourcing for much longer than Walmart has been in existence. And manufacturing has been in a steady decline for a very long time as well, again much before Walmart came into the picture. In the past you could earn a very comfortable living with little education or skills - that's quickly disappearing and again that's across the board, not just at Walmart and it's certainly not a new or recent phenomenon
So, in what ways exactly are we "strong" and "competitive"?
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Then maybe try to apply more pressure.
Where I live we have a local bike club of about 150 people. One day, one of my friends that is an avid commuter tried to go through the drive in teller at the local credit union. He was told that he could not do that on a bike and they refused to serve him. Well, it just happened that this guy was also the public relations officer in the bike club. He wrote a serious, but friendly letter to the credit union expaining that he was a customer like anyone else, and that he had just as much right to 'drive' his bike through the drive thru as anyone else. He asked the credit union to clairify why they would not allow bikes and suggested that in the absense of any good reason, they make their employees aware that bikes WERE allowed.
His letter was very well written and businesslike. It made no overt threats, but certainly getting such a letter from a club representing hundreds of people can be threatening in its own way. A week later, he and the club received a polite and apologetic response from the credit union and he has not had a problem since.
You might take the same tactic with the store.
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Where I live we have a local bike club of about 150 people. One day, one of my friends that is an avid commuter tried to go through the drive in teller at the local credit union. He was told that he could not do that on a bike and they refused to serve him. Well, it just happened that this guy was also the public relations officer in the bike club. He wrote a serious, but friendly letter to the credit union expaining that he was a customer like anyone else, and that he had just as much right to 'drive' his bike through the drive thru as anyone else. He asked the credit union to clairify why they would not allow bikes and suggested that in the absense of any good reason, they make their employees aware that bikes WERE allowed.
His letter was very well written and businesslike. It made no overt threats, but certainly getting such a letter from a club representing hundreds of people can be threatening in its own way. A week later, he and the club received a polite and apologetic response from the credit union and he has not had a problem since.
You might take the same tactic with the store.
Dave
Sounds like an awesome letter. I mean you can remove the guys name and address and such if needed.
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I had a an employee kick me out of walmart for trying to bring a bike in (no bike racks). I tried to explain that it was no different than pushing a shopping cart. I was not obnoixious just quitly pushing my bike in. So I went next door to Kmart which had a bike rack, i made sure to tell the employee thats where I was going too. He probably didnt care though.