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10-05-10, 01:36 PM
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Another found a Paramount thread
I picked this up today, I now need to identify it's age, and then it will be trade bait 
serial is 3cozz65
serial is 3cozz65
10-05-10, 01:47 PM
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It is supposed to be a Paramount, but I have never owned one so I am not sure. I rolled the dice on this one.
10-05-10, 01:53 PM
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The serial doesn't follow known paramount convention:
https://waterfordbikes.com/now/home.p...aramountdating
I think you may have a super le tour, or superior, or other model. But the true knowers of the knowledge will soon weigh in here I'm sure!
https://waterfordbikes.com/now/home.p...aramountdating
I think you may have a super le tour, or superior, or other model. But the true knowers of the knowledge will soon weigh in here I'm sure!
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That's no Paramount.
It's a Voyageur 11.8 with a Paramount badge (EDIT: WHAT WAS I THINKING? That ain't no Paramount badge - that's the original Voyageur badge.)
I think forum member Michael Angelo would be more than willing to trade or buy that frame from you - and I'm willing to trade for the badge.
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It's a Voyageur 11.8 with a Paramount badge (EDIT: WHAT WAS I THINKING? That ain't no Paramount badge - that's the original Voyageur badge.)
I think forum member Michael Angelo would be more than willing to trade or buy that frame from you - and I'm willing to trade for the badge.
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10-05-10, 02:03 PM
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Huh, what Paramount badge? The badge on the head tube should say Paramount where it reads Chicago.
It is not a Paramount, but it is chrome. Polish it up and ride it!
It is not a Paramount, but it is chrome. Polish it up and ride it!
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10-05-10, 02:16 PM
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well at least it is still likely worth what I paid for it, at least locally. Just not as much as it would be as a Paramount.
10-05-10, 02:17 PM
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10-05-10, 02:42 PM
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Tell me, is it wearing 27" wheels when it should have a set of 700C's?
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10-05-10, 02:52 PM
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I think it may be a Super Le Tour 12.2 as Norskagent suggested above. I have a 25" chrome Voyageur 11.8 and I notice three differences right off the bat.
But here's the deciding factor. What is the diameter of the stem?
So it's not a Paramount. It is a fully-chromed, chromoly frame. Nice pickup!
edit: The dropouts are different too. 11.8s have forged dropouts with threaded eyelets. One of my 11.8s dropouts were Tange, but the chrome one's dropouts are unmarked.
- Slightly different HT lugs
- Different fork crown (might not be original fork - nothing else is!)
- Voyageur 11.8s did not have bottle cage bosses (no 11.8s that I've seen)
But here's the deciding factor. What is the diameter of the stem?
So it's not a Paramount. It is a fully-chromed, chromoly frame. Nice pickup!
edit: The dropouts are different too. 11.8s have forged dropouts with threaded eyelets. One of my 11.8s dropouts were Tange, but the chrome one's dropouts are unmarked.
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10-05-10, 02:59 PM
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Not a Voyageur 11.8. All I've encountered have 26.8mm seat posts and 21.13mm stems.
Here's the catalog scan for the '78 Super Le Tour 12.2. I don't see brazed on bottle cage bosses, though.
Source: www.trfindley.com
Here's the catalog scan for the '78 Super Le Tour 12.2. I don't see brazed on bottle cage bosses, though.
Source: www.trfindley.com
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10-05-10, 03:10 PM
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That's a stamped rear dropout. How much did you pay for the bike?
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I have edited my craiglist posting for this like 4 times now I think
10-05-10, 03:15 PM
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10-05-10, 03:18 PM
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Nah. Stamped dropouts.
Were stamped dropouts with a derailleur hanger common?
Toytech, does the frame have a clear coat on it?
I'm thinking it might not even be a Schwinn. Does the SN jive, Schwinn guys?
Were stamped dropouts with a derailleur hanger common?
Toytech, does the frame have a clear coat on it?
I'm thinking it might not even be a Schwinn. Does the SN jive, Schwinn guys?
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Look for vertical-drop models first; chroming second.
Never.
In the mid-1980's, stamped vertical dropouts were not out of the question; they were used on MTB frames too.
It may not be a Schwinn - look at the right-hand badge screw. There isn't one. Toytech, can you pull the left screw out to expose the drilling pattern under the badge?
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