Water bottles cages and old bikes
07-05-23, 06:11 PM
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Took a little while to get used to, but now I find it's more 'natural' to access these than a bottle on the down-tube. The shape of the King Cage Iris cages is really good for guiding the bottles back in.
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American Classic made a very nice band clamp mount for their cages, which look pretty elegant, IMHO. Here's one on my Eisentraut Limited frame (apologies for the lousy photo -- it's in the darkest corner of the bike cave). I acquired this example at our local bike co-op -- it even matches the Limited's decals! 
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07-05-23, 07:16 PM
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I got one of the fairly standard handlebar mount holders to get the more old school look. I thought it set the bottle too high above the bars so I carefully cut off the mounting bracket and had a welding friend re-position it on the little rails so the bottle sits much lower. If I'm protecting the frame from scratches of a clamp I use a cut up piece of inner tube under the clamp
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This is a stupid idea, but I'm sharing anyway. 
would it be possible to use a rack like the one I have pictured as a base?
Remove the rack part from the mounting post, it appears to be bolted on.This is not used.
Mount it , the mount, to your seatpost and drill it and mount cages to it
Told you it was stupid. But hey if it was really needed...
https://www.amazon.com/Ventura-Rear-.../dp/B01HOVDODM
would it be possible to use a rack like the one I have pictured as a base?
Remove the rack part from the mounting post, it appears to be bolted on.This is not used.
Mount it , the mount, to your seatpost and drill it and mount cages to it
Told you it was stupid. But hey if it was really needed...
https://www.amazon.com/Ventura-Rear-.../dp/B01HOVDODM
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07-05-23, 08:34 PM
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disclaimer: my solutions are pretty old and may be getting scarce or pricey.
One of my preferred methods of adding a cage to a bike has been the T.A. handlebar cage....
It's chromed steel, so it is pretty reliable. I'm still using one that I bought in the 70's.
It also has the virtue of not scratching up your down tube!
Another technique that doesn't scratch up the paint is to carry a bottle or two in the jersey pockets. When I ride my copper colored Raleigh International, I often carry a second bottle in the center jersey pocket.
Back in the day (in 1982), I shot this pic of a friend in a race in the mountains of Colorado. He had one bottle cage, and carried two more bottles in his jersey pockets...
One of my favorite uncommon vintage bottle cages is the T.A. Criterium. It uses a single clamp band that engages a cage made specifically for the band. Perhaps the oddness of it might cause it to be a bit cheaper than the classic two-band cages? T.A.'s part number is Ref. 216.
Steve in Peoria
One of my preferred methods of adding a cage to a bike has been the T.A. handlebar cage....
It's chromed steel, so it is pretty reliable. I'm still using one that I bought in the 70's.
It also has the virtue of not scratching up your down tube!
Another technique that doesn't scratch up the paint is to carry a bottle or two in the jersey pockets. When I ride my copper colored Raleigh International, I often carry a second bottle in the center jersey pocket.
Back in the day (in 1982), I shot this pic of a friend in a race in the mountains of Colorado. He had one bottle cage, and carried two more bottles in his jersey pockets...
One of my favorite uncommon vintage bottle cages is the T.A. Criterium. It uses a single clamp band that engages a cage made specifically for the band. Perhaps the oddness of it might cause it to be a bit cheaper than the classic two-band cages? T.A.'s part number is Ref. 216.
Steve in Peoria
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I'm building an early 70s Raleigh Gran Sport with no water bottle braze ons. I plan on using clamps for the downtube with electrical tape underneath. But I don't want to do the same for the seattube since I want to use a frame mounted pump. So I've been thinking about different ways to mount water bottle cages or carry an extra water bottle.
I picked up this Revelate design mountain feedback a little while ago to try out. It uses velcro to attach to the stem and handlebars and can hold a Nalgene bottle plus it has pockets for your food goodies. I took it out on a test spin this morning. It feels very secure and I like that I can easily move this from one bike to another. I need to cut that bottom strap down though.
I picked up this Revelate design mountain feedback a little while ago to try out. It uses velcro to attach to the stem and handlebars and can hold a Nalgene bottle plus it has pockets for your food goodies. I took it out on a test spin this morning. It feels very secure and I like that I can easily move this from one bike to another. I need to cut that bottom strap down though.
07-05-23, 10:34 PM
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Zefal Gizmo, and Topeak Versa are lower profile than many of the above suggestions.
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07-05-23, 10:47 PM
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The ZEFAL pulse UNIVERSAL MOUNT BOTTLE CAGE with Velcro Strap (all black in color) ....UPC code 7 68661 55039 4
is a great solution WHEN YOU DON'T WANNA DRILL ANY HOLES in any bicycle that isn't already tapped with threaded screw holes...
**** SUPER IMPORTANT: You Must use 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive SO THAT THE Rubber Block NEVER "slips n slides" !!!
---- a Rubber Block , that is securely attached to a very rigid and strong, thick hard plastic spine WHICH THE Bottle Cage screws on to with 2 normal screws..
.......................it does have the two velcro cinch down straps BUT on Ancient SCHWINN frames and nearly every other 1940's thru 1980's steel frame tubes, YOU CAN'T
GET ENOUGH HOLD FROM THE VELCRO STRAPS BY THEMSELVES, ALONE, TO KEEP A FULL WATERBOTTLE FROM SLIDING THE MOUNT AT LEAST A LITTLE, WHILE SPIRITEDLY RIDING YOUR BIKE......................However if you use the 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive on the Rubber Block portion that directly touches the bicycle's frame tubing, then cinch the velcro straps, and let the Super Weatherstrip Adhesive fully dry, then the Cage Assembly will NEVER MOVE even if you were to take an old junky water bottle and fill it with wet concrete.......
------------------------------Now, you do want to use 3M SUPER WEATHERSTRIP ADHESIVE, well the Permatex brand of superweatherstrip adhesive should be okay, but you do want this specific adhesive that is commonly used on automobiles, etc, and thus is available everywhere at auto parts stores, Amazon, etc.
Now, it is nasty stuff, in that you want to be certain to use it outdoors because you can get 8 miles high just from working with it for just a minute.
Now, the 1 ounce tube is the smallest portion that you can buy..................that is more than enough for doing at least several ZEFAL universal mounts..
-------The ZEFAL universal mount comes only in all black BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO USE ANY DIFFERENT CAGE, a few NEW random examples are also below..
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Zefal-Pul...lack/239504228
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3M-Black-...-1-oz/16913677
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204326213473
https://www.ebay.com/itm/182961966060
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293945820260
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364018246270
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385546755671
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294923643739
https://www.ebay.com/itm/394543589548
https://www.3m.com/3Men_US/p/d/b40069430/
is a great solution WHEN YOU DON'T WANNA DRILL ANY HOLES in any bicycle that isn't already tapped with threaded screw holes...
**** SUPER IMPORTANT: You Must use 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive SO THAT THE Rubber Block NEVER "slips n slides" !!!
---- a Rubber Block , that is securely attached to a very rigid and strong, thick hard plastic spine WHICH THE Bottle Cage screws on to with 2 normal screws..
.......................it does have the two velcro cinch down straps BUT on Ancient SCHWINN frames and nearly every other 1940's thru 1980's steel frame tubes, YOU CAN'T
GET ENOUGH HOLD FROM THE VELCRO STRAPS BY THEMSELVES, ALONE, TO KEEP A FULL WATERBOTTLE FROM SLIDING THE MOUNT AT LEAST A LITTLE, WHILE SPIRITEDLY RIDING YOUR BIKE......................However if you use the 3M Super Weatherstrip Adhesive on the Rubber Block portion that directly touches the bicycle's frame tubing, then cinch the velcro straps, and let the Super Weatherstrip Adhesive fully dry, then the Cage Assembly will NEVER MOVE even if you were to take an old junky water bottle and fill it with wet concrete.......
------------------------------Now, you do want to use 3M SUPER WEATHERSTRIP ADHESIVE, well the Permatex brand of superweatherstrip adhesive should be okay, but you do want this specific adhesive that is commonly used on automobiles, etc, and thus is available everywhere at auto parts stores, Amazon, etc.
Now, it is nasty stuff, in that you want to be certain to use it outdoors because you can get 8 miles high just from working with it for just a minute.
Now, the 1 ounce tube is the smallest portion that you can buy..................that is more than enough for doing at least several ZEFAL universal mounts..
-------The ZEFAL universal mount comes only in all black BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO USE ANY DIFFERENT CAGE, a few NEW random examples are also below..
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Zefal-Pul...lack/239504228
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3M-Black-...-1-oz/16913677
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204326213473
https://www.ebay.com/itm/182961966060
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293945820260
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364018246270
https://www.ebay.com/itm/385546755671
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294923643739
https://www.ebay.com/itm/394543589548
https://www.3m.com/3Men_US/p/d/b40069430/
07-06-23, 01:32 AM
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I planned to get on of the TA Specialites clamped cages from France, but then I needed a quick fix. I'm still running hose clamps over bar tape. The tape could use some trimming and a coat of shellac, though.
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If you want to protect and yet show your finish
a) use clear "hockey" tape; or
b) apply tape to the inner surface of the band, and trim (any colour should work, but a contrasting one might show a line at the joint).
b) is also the way I shim front mechs to fit metric tubing, though the shim is brass and gets glued after fitting and trimming; tape over that after.
a) use clear "hockey" tape; or
b) apply tape to the inner surface of the band, and trim (any colour should work, but a contrasting one might show a line at the joint).
b) is also the way I shim front mechs to fit metric tubing, though the shim is brass and gets glued after fitting and trimming; tape over that after.
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I know people freak out about rivnuts, but I have to have solid mounts off-pavement. My Sekine SHS 271 had no bottle mounts and a large seat tube sticker so I added 4 rivnuts on the downtube for a Wolf Tooth BRAD-4. I put some JB weld on the inside of the drilled hole so the rivnut would collapse on it. They are very solid and I don't think they will ever spin.
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I know people freak out about rivnuts, but I have to have solid mounts off-pavement. My Sekine SHS 271 had no bottle mounts and a large seat tube sticker so I added 4 rivnuts on the downtube for a Wolf Tooth BRAD-4. I put some JB weld on the inside of the drilled hole so the rivnut would collapse on it. They are very solid and I don't think they will ever spin.
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On a nicer frame, I like the Zefal Vintage cage (has large mounting tabs) with VO clamps. Classic and clean.
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Looks like a strong job and I agree that I'd want solid mounts for off road as well. Are you using your Sekine SHS 271 as a gravel bike? Looks like you've modernized the bike. I have the same bike, same color, but I kept it more or less original (I swapped out the front and rear derailleurs, the pedals, and, of course, the consumables) and run mine as a commuter.
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This is what I use on my 1982 Lotus Classique, which has braze-ons for fenders/racks, but no bottle cage mounts.
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This is the set-up for one of my bikes, but many riders would choose a mini-pump to free up the high-side of the downtube. I like the vintage look. My Jansport fanny pack (Coltrane) securely holds two 27oz Kleen Kanteens, but roughs up the back of my shorts and saddle. I guess it's just the cost of doing business.
Two 18oz stainless steel bottles on vintage, clamp-on TA cages. The lower one needs to be pushed back into shape, to keep the fit tight, after about every 20 miles.
Two 18oz stainless steel bottles on vintage, clamp-on TA cages. The lower one needs to be pushed back into shape, to keep the fit tight, after about every 20 miles.
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I'm using the TA cages in the post above, but with stainless steel, I avoid the dioxins.
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disclaimer: my solutions are pretty old and may be getting scarce or pricey.
One of my preferred methods of adding a cage to a bike has been the T.A. handlebar cage....It's chromed steel, so it is pretty reliable. I'm still using one that I bought in the 70's.
It also has the virtue of not scratching up your down tube!
Another technique that doesn't scratch up the paint is to carry a bottle or two in the jersey pockets. When I ride my copper colored Raleigh International, I often carry a second bottle in the center jersey pocket. One of my favorite uncommon vintage bottle cages is the T.A. Criterium. It uses a single clamp band that engages a cage made specifically for the band. Perhaps the oddness of it might cause it to be a bit cheaper than the classic two-band cages? T.A.'s part number is Ref. 216. Steve in Peoria
One of my preferred methods of adding a cage to a bike has been the T.A. handlebar cage....It's chromed steel, so it is pretty reliable. I'm still using one that I bought in the 70's.
It also has the virtue of not scratching up your down tube!
Another technique that doesn't scratch up the paint is to carry a bottle or two in the jersey pockets. When I ride my copper colored Raleigh International, I often carry a second bottle in the center jersey pocket. One of my favorite uncommon vintage bottle cages is the T.A. Criterium. It uses a single clamp band that engages a cage made specifically for the band. Perhaps the oddness of it might cause it to be a bit cheaper than the classic two-band cages? T.A.'s part number is Ref. 216. Steve in Peoria
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