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Using M28X Aero rims, need 700x23 tires that goes on without a tire lever.

Old 07-29-11, 08:48 PM
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Using M28X Aero rims, need 700x23 tires that goes on without a tire lever.

I have pinched 3 inner tubes trying to get my Michelin Lithion 2 tires on my Neuvation M28X aero rims. This is making me extremely frustrated.

What are decent tires that fit on these rims without me having to use a tire lever and pinching the inner tubes again?

Thank you.
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Old 07-29-11, 08:59 PM
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While not exactly what you may want in response, (as I use tire levers) but I have used Continental GP4000s, Gatorskins and Hutchinsons (Blue ones, forget the model name) without pinching the inner tube. I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but maybe you could use the levers differently?
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I have the same wheels with 700x23 tires and have no issues using Pedro's tire levers.
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Do you know how to put a tire on? You shouldn't be using levers. There are much tighter tires than those that you have that will go on fine. I have Neuvation wheels and they are soooo easy to get clinchers on compared to my 50mm carbon wheelset I had before. I seriously got blisters putting tires on those.

There are some tricks, like putting soapy water around the tire edge.

Mainly though it shouldn't be harder than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZpYAM1GulM
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Creatre, I decided long ago that I just have no upper body strength, so I often need a tire lever to coax a tire back on. Soapy water and many other tricks are worthless when you're fixing a flat on the side of a road in the middle of nowhere, so I ignore those.

To the OP, you need to learn how to make sure the tube doesn't get pinched. Push the tube in before running the lever by that area, and do the last few inches by hand (once you get that close, it's easy). Then, pump it up to about 30-40 psi and check for any bulges. If there are, deflate the tire and push the tube in at that part. If not, you should be good.

Also, make sure you're not twisting the tube.
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I have Vittoria Rubino Pro Slicks on Fulcrum Racing 5 rims, and my wimpy arms can get them installed without tools.
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Originally Posted by JRoller View Post
I have pinched 3 inner tubes trying to get my Michelin Lithion 2 tires on my Neuvation M28X aero rims. This is making me extremely frustrated.

What are decent tires that fit on these rims without me having to use a tire lever and pinching the inner tubes again?

Thank you.
I've got a set of Forté Titan wheels, which internet rumor holds to be re-labeled Neuvation M28s. It was a fight getting tires on them (cheap wire bead Vittorias), and I broke an "unbreakable" tire lever doing it. Didn't pinch a tube, though. Some wheels are just tougher to get tires on than others, and some tires are more difficult to mount. I just put a tire on a Shimano R500 wheel - a Michelin Lithion, BTW - and it went on easily, only needing a tire lever for the last five inches or so, and I could probably have gotten away with hands only. The Mavic Open Pro rims I have don't require a tire lever at all.
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Old 07-30-11, 08:10 AM
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FWIW, OP, I also finds the Neuvations a relative PITA to mount tires on and it does take a little more caution than normal.
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Old 07-30-11, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Creatre View Post

There are some tricks, like putting soapy water around the tire edge.
If I need something to get a tire on I'd rather grab a lever than fart around with soapy water.

To OP, once you get them on the first time they tend to relax some and it's much easier to change later on.
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FWIW, I am 55 years old, have been riding for over 30 years, and I have mounted hundreds of tires in my life of riding. I agree with the OP that the Neuvation M28 Aeros can be hellishly difficult to mount tires to, especially when the tires are new. I just mounted a brand new pair of GP4000's to my M28's, and the rear one in particular was so tight that I had to use a long flat head screwdiver to get the tire over the rim. I was very careful in doing so not to pinch the tube. Having said that, of all the tires that I own, I found that the Maxxis Refuse was by far the easiest to mount to this rim. They slipped on with hands alone. Unfortunately, this tire is also heavy and ride quality is not the greatest. Vredestein Fortezza Tri Comps went on with some difficulty with plastic tire levers, but after a couple of hundred miles of riding, they stretch enough that they will go on and off with hands alone. And, I still love these wheels. They are light, stay true, and the bearings are the smoothest that I have ever had on a set of wheels. Hope this helps.

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Old 07-30-11, 09:32 AM
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LOL, I just noticed that I joined this forum in 2006, and that was my first post. I guess that makes me the World's Ultimate Lurker! Sorry about that guys and gals, but I hope to contribute much more from now on!

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Just get the Conti GP4000s.

You KNOW they are the most appropriate, even if they may be annoying to mount. Be careful and you won't pinch your tube.
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these are amazing tires for around $15-$18 ! i have been running them for 6 months and not one flat ! plus they are cheap ! and i installed them by hand within 2-4 min. they are not the lightest but they are durable for my weekend 30 mile loop, i sorta laugh to myself when i see guys paying 50 dollars per tire or more ! http://www.bontrager.com/model/08860
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Old 07-31-11, 04:29 PM
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I got it thanks guys. Stupid mistake here, I did not put one side of the bead in before putting in the tube. Just did that and muscled the other side in without using a lever. Thanks for the video also, helped a lot.
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Sorry to bump an old post but I'm having the exact same issues - new set of GP4000's and I cannot get the front tire mounted on my M28X wheels. I spent two hours last night and couldn't even get ONE of beads on, let alone both. I was able to get the tire onto a Mavic CXP-22's without too much trouble, but absolutely no go on the Neuvations. My current tires are Vittoria's of some sort, can't remember the details - they go on relatively easy.

I was able to get the rear tire mounted, with some difficulty. I think I'll swap tires tonight and see if the tires are slightly different sizes. I'll also try soaping things up and/or lightly sanding the beads to remove all of the manufacturing waste (all of the little rubber bits left over from the molding process). If none of that works, anyone have any ideas? I'd hate to have to buy different tires and was really looking forward to trying out the GP4000's.

Thanks in advance
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^ are you using tire levers?

I like Pedro's tire levers best...
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whoiswes, keep in mind that tires stretch a little over time. Anybody's current tires will go on easier than a set of new, unstretched tires. Once you get the Contis on, they will start to get a little easier to put on.
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A also very helpful tip at your stage (or any stage):

Learn to patch tubes. It's the easiest task possible (I've never had one fail, even the first ones), and you can batch patch 5 tubes in <5mins. So when you pinch a tube in your mounting process, it's not like an extra $8 down the drain (or $24 in your case.)
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+1 on the tough to mount a tire the first time, but fairly easy thereafter. I run a Conti GP4000 on the rear and Mich Pro Race 3 in the front. There is a sweet spot in the life of the Mich that let me roll the tire back on w/o a lever. I usually use levers, so if I could roll it on, it was easy. Of course, my flat frequency was starting to increase enough to make me want a new tire so I'll be putting on a new tire this week.

Anyway, it really helps if you get good enough with the lever so that you never pinch the tube.

Oh, and isn't the "Aero MX28" calle dan RX28? Maybe I'm confused.
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I know that some of the above posts mentioning a lack of arm strength are a month old, but it should be mentioned, anyway - (most of the time) you don't need tools or arm strength or thumb strength; when it gets tough, you should be rolling the tire over the edge using the heel of your palms.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I know that some of the above posts mentioning a lack of arm strength are a month old, but it should be mentioned, anyway - (most of the time) you don't need tools or arm strength or thumb strength; when it gets tough, you should be rolling the tire over the edge using the heel of your palms.
18 years of trying (rolling, pushing, pulling, pleading, begging), and there are still times when I still need a little help from a lever.
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Thanks for all the feedback - I'll work on the tires more tonight and see where things end up.

Yes, I was using levers (broke one already) and I've had to patch a number of tubes in my riding history. Never had a single problem with any tire changes until now...even had a roadside flat this week that I had changed and inflated (manually, without CO2) in under 5 minutes.

Too bad I can't use my motorcycle tire changer for this - THAT would make things easy.
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http://www.amazon.com/Kool-Stop-Tire.../dp/B001AYML7K

Use it for the initial installation of new tires at home. Once the tire beads stretch you should be able to roll them over with your hands at on the side of the road.
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Originally Posted by mississippimud View Post
these are amazing tires for around $15-$18 ! i have been running them for 6 months and not one flat ! plus they are cheap ! and i installed them by hand within 2-4 min. they are not the lightest but they are durable for my weekend 30 mile loop, i sorta laugh to myself when i see guys paying 50 dollars per tire or more ! http://www.bontrager.com/model/08860
Those are some heavy tires... I would much rather use Michelin Lithion 2's which can be had for the same price on PBK and probably roll and handle much, much better.
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