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Old 08-19-19, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
Anybody seen how straps are attached to LOOK pedals? I know the French team uses them but I've never seen this close up. Weighing up my options for after these VPs wear out, which might be soon, and they seem unobtainable now.
I have a set of Look Keo 2 Max pedals that were adapted by Dolan, they bolted an extra carrier to the back. For double straps the front strap is still done with zip ties. Hopefully these pics make it easier to see. I would imagine it would be easy enough to make a looped bit of steel and bolt it to the pedal body.
Having the rear loop at the back of the pedal ensure the strap stays mid foot rather than just being over the toe area like the fabric straps that attach at the axle.

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I have a set of Look Keo 2 Max pedals that were adapted by Dolan, they bolted an extra carrier to the back. For double straps the front strap is still done with zip ties. Hopefully these pics make it easier to see. I would imagine it would be easy enough to make a looped bit of steel and bolt it to the pedal body.
Having the rear loop at the back of the pedal ensure the strap stays mid foot rather than just being over the toe area like the fabric straps that attach at the axle.
THAT is exactly what I'm looking for! Do you know who made these at Dolan? Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
THAT is exactly what I'm looking for! Do you know who made these at Dolan? Thank you!
Sadly i don't know the specifics - i bought these second hand from a veteran sprinter and when i bought them he said they were made for him by Dolan. As i understood it he is good pals with Terry Dolan so it may not be a commercial item.

The adaptor itself is just two pieces of steel welded together and then bolted to the back of the pedal body. If you aren't too bothered by aesthetics i image it would be easy to fabricate yourself. You could probably get away without any welding if you countersunk a hole in the bit that attaches to the pedal and had a small coach bolt or similar holding the two pieces together with the nut inside the looped metal section. You don't need that much space in the loop for the strap itself.

Sorry i cant be more helpful! ( if you need more pictures just send me a message and i will get them to you.)
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Thanks, Kaben. I've been hoping to avoid making something, but that's looking more and more likely.
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
Thanks, Kaben. I've been hoping to avoid making something, but that's looking more and more likely.
If you can get your hands on them I would recommend the VP-R73T Track pedals. I have these as well and like them better than the Look. The have an integrated loop below the middle of the cleat so you don't need to use any zip ties at all. really good if you want to ride without the straps for any reason and then put them back on in a few moments. I often take the straps off on rollers sessions as i like being able to unclip quickly if it all goes wrong! They also use look cleats.

Brooks cycles have them in the UK.

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If you can get your hands on them I would recommend the VP-R73T Track pedals. I have these as well and like them better than the Look. The have an integrated loop below the middle of the cleat so you don't need to use any zip ties at all. really good if you want to ride without the straps for any reason and then put them back on in a few moments. I often take the straps off on rollers sessions as i like being able to unclip quickly if it all goes wrong! They also use look cleats.

Brooks cycles have them in the UK.
Yeah, I have them and they are great! I use only the rear strap position and they are perfect. I'm looking for the next pair though as to looks like VP are not producing them anymore. Though now that you mention it, Brooks does seem to have them. All the other vendors I've seen carrying them have stopped and I don't think they are listed on the VP website anymore, so I'm worried they'll be gone soon. Just wish Shimano or LOOK would go ahead and make this option available from the factory!
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Old 08-19-19, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaben View Post
I have a set of Look Keo 2 Max pedals that were adapted by Dolan, they bolted an extra carrier to the back. For double straps the front strap is still done with zip ties. Hopefully these pics make it easier to see. I would imagine it would be easy enough to make a looped bit of steel and bolt it to the pedal body.
Having the rear loop at the back of the pedal ensure the strap stays mid foot rather than just being over the toe area like the fabric straps that attach at the axle.

This is the ideal setup. Similar to what Hoy used. Only one NJS strap needed for one of the most successful and strongest track sprinters ever.


(Yes these are SRAM Omnium cranks. He took his personal race pedals and installed them on his "Hoy Fiorenzuola" entry level track bike line for a photoshoot when the bike was first released a few years ago.)

I wouldn't be surprised if the exact same system.

Further back on the foot provides better energy transfer instead of just through the metatarsals.

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Yeah, I'm often confused by peoples' strap set-ups. Most seem way too forward to me. I've even seen world level riders with their straps basically around their toes.
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this was interesting, saw it on google the other day.
Mira Pedal Strap Adapter - New Blue ? Coach Carl Cycling

I could print these (or something close) off if I knew some dimensions.

There was also a guide (on here I believe) about using old toe straps/cages, chopping up the cage and then fitting it to look (shimano) pedals. I tried that for a project a year or two ago, worked really nice. I can take some pictures later if you want, it was simple, just some $15 cages, a dremel and an hour or so. Modification also isn't as "permanent" as the drilling/tapping method.
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Old 08-20-19, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
This is the ideal setup. Similar to what Hoy used. Only one NJS strap needed for one of the most successful and strongest track sprinters ever.

I wouldn't be surprised if the exact same system.
Yeah, since its from Dolan himself, i would imagine its the same construction, just made to fit the back of the Look pedal profile. Seems like it has been painted exactly the same by the look of the similar wear.

I wish my pedals wer shimano rather than look though. Much prefer shimano cleats and means i could have same cleats on all my shoes.

Im experimenting with single straps - double njs straps are very secure and comforting but strapping up in a hurry when getting on the boards is a completed pain in the bum. Single strap is much more convenient. And if its good enough for Sir Chris Hoy, then by gods its about 10 times more secure than i need!
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Old 08-20-19, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Morelock View Post
this was interesting, saw it on google the other day.
Mira Pedal Strap Adapter - New Blue ? Coach Carl Cycling

I could print these (or something close) off if I knew some dimensions.
Get out your calipers and measure your pedals and then go into the CAD software and draw it up, test, repeat, until you get it right. That's what I did.

I 3D printed several LOOK and Shimano prototype holders like those in the website.

The problem that I ran into is that the resin eventually shatters because of some small crack that expands. I would imagine that the person selling this is probably experiencing the same. A final product will have to be made a different way (carved, injection molded, or some other way).
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Old 08-20-19, 10:04 AM
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@carleton but I have no Keo pedals to measure

Yeah PLA probably won't hold up. ABS might, or some of the fancier mediums... but my Prusa isn't really set up to handle that stuff (I do keep meaning to build a box for it so I can keep the temp steady and print ABS)

I need to learn how to use a cnc machine for parts like this...
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This is what we use, G-Race straps cable tied to look pedals. They sit across the middle of the foot just fine.

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Old 08-20-19, 10:34 AM
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@carleton but I have no Keo pedals to measure

Yeah PLA probably won't hold up. ABS might, or some of the fancier mediums... but my Prusa isn't really set up to handle that stuff (I do keep meaning to build a box for it so I can keep the temp steady and print ABS)

I need to learn how to use a cnc machine for parts like this...
I'm sure you could find a contract manufacturer if you had the proper specs. Thomson does that.
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I made some strap adapters for Shimano pedal.
I used PETG filament but you still need to reinforce using resin and wires to prevent from layers breaking.
For me this solved the problem.
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Damn those are nice. Good job, man!
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That's what I consider the best placement of the strap, behind the pedal body itself. I learned this was best for myself using the old school DA 7400 pedals. This is basically the position of the rearward strap in a double strap set-up, and it seem to provide most of the power transfer and fit retention. I've tried the single strap just behind the pedal axle as most do and it just doesn't feel right to me. The strap passing right under the middle of the arch of your foot is the sweet spot.

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Old 08-31-19, 07:46 PM
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Great insights into developing a new strap system. I may have a go at working on one too. Will share my thoughts and product development process.
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https://www.ridemedia.com.au/feature...ment-snapshot/
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1: I didn't know that Zipp sponsors the AUS team.

2: This...

Zipp logos missing in Pruszkow

“We weren’t ready,” confessed a Zipp representative who knows the inner machinations of the brand very well. Quite simply, he explained, “we don’t have a front disc wheel yet”. In modern pursuit the disc wheel set-up – front and rear – is ubiquitous. It is efficient, fast, reliable and employed by virtually every pursuit entrant.

“We don’t want to just hand over prototype products,” said the Zipp spokesman. “We want to prove that our product is better.

“We’re going to wait until everything is ready,” he concluded, not able to suggest an exact date for this but he estimated that it would be “around September or October… maybe even November or December.”
...means that Zipp is developing new track wheels. These wheel will likely come with wind tunnel receipts (unlike Mavic track wheels).
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What if the Mavic/Campag combo used by Glaetzer was fast(er)est? Wouldn't that be a headf*%# for sponsorship deals
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What if the Mavic/Campag combo used by Glaetzer was fast(er)est? Wouldn't that be a headf*%# for sponsorship deals
True.

My guess is that their is either some marketing gamesmanship going on or production holdups.

Recall that we didn't see the GB bikes until the London Olympics. The Felt TA FRD was only introduced like 3 months before the Rio Olympics.

Wheels are much easier to copy than bikes. It is reasonable that Zipp may be keeping their designs close to the vest for as long as they can to avoid competitors having time enough to copy them. Keep in mind, they may be unveiling wheels for the other Olympic cycling events which may all be of this new generation.
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“We don’t want to just hand over prototype products,” said the Zipp spokesman. “We want to prove that our product is better.
I think this is the telling comment.

I read this as "we don't want to be seen putting a series of prototype wheels under the athletes. When you see them riding our wheels we will have documented proof that they are the fastest and we need the product available to flood the marketplace."

IMO with the wheels that are out there like the Campag, NZ's Southern Spars, Corimas and BC's 3 spoke that are all unproven but purported to be faster than Mavics, making a faster wheel may be a hard ask.

There is also merit in what you say @carleton about not wanting to release the secret weapon to the public too soon though. I wonder if Aus has a deal not to release the wheels until after the Olympics. It wouldn't be a wise move to have a hand in their development and then have half the field riding the same wheels and lose that advantage
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Thanks for all the advice and great reading that has been on here as I get into track racing. Loved my first race I did last week.

Couple of questions though.

1. Any thoughts on Raketa chainrings, cogs and lockrings. I like the idea of a 16 notch BB lockring instead of having to use a lockring tool.

2. I ride on the track twice a week currently and commute by bicycle to work and school. Due to time constraints my outdoor training time is limited. Any tips or recommendations for trainer programs and workouts? I do ride my track bike on the trainer and like the trainer because its so time efficient for a workout.
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Old 09-25-19, 10:40 PM
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Tire glue life

Considering you don't use that special pair of "race wheels" too much, how long can be the glue service - traditional stuff like Conti Carbon or Mastik-1 - be considered reliable?
What would be a recommended time - in years or months - to remove, clean excess and glue again, if the tire is good and everything is looking good?
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