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Old 08-27-19, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post


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Sweet!!! Does the back wheel rub the seattube when it gets hot out?

I'm guessing compact must refer to the chaistays, wheelbase, etc...
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Old 08-27-19, 09:58 PM
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I am of the mind I cannot tell much difference in Italian bikes of similar type/purpose and construction. An SLX bicycle of good construction and similar tube diameters, geometry and size is not going to be significantly different from some other nearly identical brand of Italian racing bicycle with the same tube set.
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Old 08-27-19, 11:35 PM
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orrrr... you could go Japanese: its not SLX its something... dare I say, better? as some above... you have an slx columbus frame. Try some Tange? you might like it.
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Old 08-28-19, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jetboy View Post
orrrr... you could go Japanese: its not SLX its something... dare I say, better?
Tange Tamahagane
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Old 08-28-19, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
It's not so much what tubing as what is done with it.

And you can never have too much Italian steel.
What he said ^^^^,

It's all about the angles. My Merckx Corsa Extra handles completely different (more responsive) than either of of my Colnagos.
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Old 08-28-19, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
What he said ^^^^,

It's all about the angles. My Merckx Corsa Extra handles completely different (more responsive) than either of of my Colnagos.

Oh to have such a stable to choose from.
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Old 08-28-19, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Many good points of view.
but to cut to the chase and save money in the long run, buy a Colnago Super in your size and be done with it.
I don't agree with this. At one time I had both a Trek TX 900 and a colnago master. The Trek was a better bike in every way. Especially when fit and finish were concerned.
I think colnago's are overrated and overpriced.
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Old 08-28-19, 09:20 AM
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They're the Rolex of Italian bikes...flashy, well marketed, everyone knows them. They aren't usually my thing, but they are for some others...they tend to be towards the extreme side of quick handling and tight geometry.

As said earlier - a Merckx guy is probably going to like De Rosas.

The Colnago Super is a pretty dang nice bike...they've been around for a long time, and I think that's with reason.

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Old 08-28-19, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Sweet!!! Does the back wheel rub the seattube when it gets hot out?

I'm guessing compact must refer to the chaistays, wheelbase, etc...
...heat expansion is the very reason they made them with the proprietary adjustable rear dropouts.

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Old 08-28-19, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jetboy View Post
orrrr... you could go Japanese: its not SLX its something... dare I say, better? as some above... you have an slx columbus frame. Try some Tange? you might like it.
I have a pro Miyata and I've had a centurion Iron Man with tange 1. I can definitely say the Merckx rides better than both. Does this bike have tange prestige?
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Old 08-28-19, 05:01 PM
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hah- you already have some Japanese steel then!

I was suggesting a zunow, if you can find one, because they are (on the top end) all hand built from custom tange tubing and Kageyama (builder ) loved italian bikes and was not shy about taking Italian geometry and design elements then adding his own engineering and vision. Others may correct me, but on the whole, other Japanese makers are more conservative and are based more on french & american designs.

The Ironman is definitely designed in America- even if built in japan from japanese steel, its not actually a born in Japan ride. (I quite like the IM ride though!).

the Miyata would probably not be tange- they had their own steel.

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Old 08-28-19, 07:51 PM
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I really like my Zunow Z-1. Handles kinda like a Cinelli. Fast like a Pelizzoli. Panto's all over like...a Zunow.
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Old 08-28-19, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
What he said ^^^^,

It's all about the angles. My Merckx Corsa Extra handles completely different (more responsive) than either of of my Colnagos.
....and my EM Corsa Extra rides so much differently than my DeRosa Pro. Both SLX, within 1cm of same frame size, and perhaps 1 year apart.
DeRosa is rumored to use an SP downtube on larger frames (mid-80's), and maybe changes in the fork, but IDK for sure.

A bunch of butted R531 in the group and they ride differently as well.
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Old 08-29-19, 02:00 AM
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Be different.
Buy a PRX tubed frame.
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Old 08-29-19, 01:36 PM
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just to throw a wrench in: have you tried a r753? if you are interested in various vintage tube-sets this is one that is a must: I have to say, nothing rides like my look r753. maybe its the slack yet race ready angles, but ..its not all that: the thing sings.
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Old 08-29-19, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jetboy View Post
just to throw a wrench in: have you tried a r753? if you are interested in various vintage tube-sets this is one that is a must: I have to say, nothing rides like my look r753. maybe its the slack yet race ready angles, but ..its not all that: the thing sings.
Than sounds like a cool tube set to try but it seems rare.
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Old 08-29-19, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
Be different.
Buy a PRX tubed frame.
I do need some PRX action. Already have an MS frame, love the creased tubes.


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Old 08-30-19, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
I really like my Zunow Z-1. Handles kinda like a Cinelli. Fast like a Pelizzoli. Panto's all over like...a Zunow.
Ha, that's a good one.
I love me some Italian bikes. Personally, I think it's more about geometry than anything else. And more to the point, the geometry that suits you.
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...as stated so well above, the steel tubing from which a bike is constructed matters much, much less than geometry. Gios Compact and Merckx Century with longer top tube and chain stays to emphasize the contrast. Both SLX, but very different ride and handling characteristics.
That Gios..very nice.
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Old 08-31-19, 07:18 AM
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Reynolds 753R

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Than sounds like a cool tube set to try but it seems rare.
I believe Jetboy is referring to Reynolds 753R, the R standing for "race" meaning the stays are also 753 although, some will say the R denotes thinner tubes but I doubt this as my 753R uses a standard 27.2 seat post.
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Old 08-31-19, 07:58 AM
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Be different.
Buy a PRX tubed frame.
Those brown hoods are a nice touch. Did you plan & select them, or did they happen to come with the shifters?
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Old 08-31-19, 06:22 PM
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Those brown hoods are a nice touch. Did you plan & select them, or did they happen to come with the shifters?
I planned and selected them when the black ones I had needed replacing.
They are from Hudz.


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Just to let you guys know. I ended up buying a gios compact pro. I got it at a great price and now Im in love with
the azure color.
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Old 09-17-19, 12:06 PM
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That bike whips, get a picture of it in front of some water or a mural and watch the likes roll in
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Basso Gap. A different feel to it than some of the other Italian steeds I have ridden. Love mine. Rossin ELOS Professional. Rocket and effortless. I have never ridden my dream bike from age 11...Ciocc...weirdly.

I'll let you know at some point about my Cromor Faggin!
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