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Old 09-11-19, 05:30 PM
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When DST starts is there more shade thrown?
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When DST starts is there more shade thrown?
Clearly.
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Old 09-12-19, 08:05 AM
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wow did not mean for this to turn so angry so fast..

people chill out.

I guess I will keep riding and make sure my lights are charged up no matter what. i have to leave the house at 0630 to get to work on time light or dark.
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I use my lights year round, and can notice them lighting up the ground as the year progresses past the summer solstice.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
On the flip side...there's the hundreds of billions of USD in lost productivity that comes along with the inability to keep appointments across timezones and lost sleep especially given international markets...every year over a month the entire world gradually changes clocks on cascading schedules and even our computers have issues keeping them straight.

Which in the days of telegraphs and letters wasn't a thing....but with international conference calls and video chat is a thing.
I don’t see how Day Light Saving helps with that issue. Staying on sun time year around would put us in a more natural rhythm and would solve the problem with “lost sleep” twice a year.
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Old 09-13-19, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I don’t see how Day Light Saving helps with that issue. Staying on sun time year around would put us in a more natural rhythm and would solve the problem with “lost sleep” twice a year.
Sun Time. Exactly.

That's why I like the Split the Difference idea. Humans keep messing with the clock (yes, we need clocks), but we ought to set that clock in between DST and ST, and let us all get used to Sun Time.

Edit: I do still think time zones are important, though. I wouldn't want to have to deal with the calamity of a town 2 counties away being on a different time than where I'm at. Sure could make appointment making a nightmare.

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As a side note about safety, I've noticed a few things when the time changes in the fall. This is when the folks who started commuting during the summer suddenly discover that their lights are either inadequate or nonexistent. Or, they've installed some kind of atomic powered lamp on their helmets to blind all oncoming cyclists. And it's too soon for the cold weather to kill them off.

Then there are the joggers. I call them the Madison Ninja Joggers. They are invariably dressed head-to-toe in black, and apparently unaware that the SOUTHWEST COMMUTER PATH is used by commuters.

So, this is a good point to check that your lights still work, and take it nice and slow on the first couple days of darkness.
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Old 09-13-19, 08:54 AM
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Edit: I do still think time zones are important, though. I wouldn't want to have to deal with the calamity of a town 2 counties away being on a different time than where I'm at. Sure could make appointment making a nightmare.
Some of us live close enough to a line between zones that we already have that problem. But it'd really be tough if every town was on their own sun time; 9:00 here would be 8:58 a few miles east, and 9:03 a few miles west. Now try to schedule a teleconference with three people 300 miles west and 500 miles east.

Maybe I can deal with time zones.
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Old 09-13-19, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
Some of us live close enough to a line between zones that we already have that problem. But it'd really be tough if every town was on their own sun time; 9:00 here would be 8:58 a few miles east, and 9:03 a few miles west. Now try to schedule a teleconference with three people 300 miles west and 500 miles east.

Maybe I can deal with time zones.

Tough is an understatement. Time Zones were established because hyper-local time (solar time) couldn't be synced up even over short distances, resulting in the new Rail Road having many head-on collisions at all hours of day and night....killing many many people.

With computers we could avoid that problem today...but results in the impossible-to-predict business hours. the 9-5 workday at least makes it easy to know when someone will be home in the bank or office.
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Jeebus you guys are a bunch of stodgy grumps.

The problem with DST is it doesn't go far enough.
We should have 1-hr DST changes in March and November, and ANOTHER hour changes in May and August.

Benefits:
1. People get used to the changes - more safety.
2. Maintaining even closer to a flat sunset curve.
3. Pisses off stodgy grumps.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Jeebus you guys are a bunch of stodgy grumps.

The problem with DST is it doesn't go far enough.
We should have 1-hr DST changes in March and November, and ANOTHER hour changes in May and August.

Benefits:
1. People get used to the changes - more safety.
2. Maintaining even closer to a flat sunset curve.
3. Pisses off stodgy grumps.
Why that infrequently? Now that we have computers keeping track of the time for us, maybe we could let go of the 24-hour day, and we could adjust by about 20 seconds (or 40 seconds, to your idea) every night. Then, we would have the benefits of DST, but it would shift so gradually we wouldn't notice it.
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Old 09-13-19, 02:24 PM
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With so many people working from home, using flex time or on line we really don't need to worry as much about the time changes as we used to. I think we'd be better off by not changing at all during the year.
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Anyone want to hear my opinion?


Didn't think so.
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Anyone want to hear my opinion?


Didn't think so.
How long are ya gonna wait for an affirmative response?







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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
Anyone want to hear my opinion?


Didn't think so.
That didn't slow the rest of us down, go for it.
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Originally Posted by alan s View Post
Wrong
How could anyone be so wrong on such a simple matter as you are here? Oh, Washington D.C.! You must be a politician. That would explain it.

When we switch from DST to Standard Time in November, daylight is an hour earlier. It also ends earlier in the afternoon/evening.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
Isn't that a little... imperialist? Right now, there are far more people already on GMT+8 than any other time zone.
Yes, Are we talking about China? Yes, One Party and Only One time Zone, (in vast Chinese territory, ... :-) ) makes things a lot simpler one would think,

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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Dst should be abolished completely. It serves no useful purpose, and likely causes more traffic-related deaths each year when we all spring forward.
Agreed. The problem is when they talk about abolishing changing the clocks, they get it backward. They usually want to stay on DST. Eff that. I don’t want the sun up late in the fall. In the summer it will still be light until 730 or so. I hate trying to go to sleep when it’s still light out in the summer. Pain in the rear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayl..._United_States

California got it backwards. The guy that put forward the proposal didn’t even get it right...now the kids will go to school in the dark. What a clown.

https://www.apnews.com/9eb6f10c82c04232b5f93d147940279d

Have a friend in the aviation business. They say that DST is a nightmare because they have to re-time all of their hub flights when the clocks change. Markets that don’t change time lose connection opportunities and then you add in that certain countries change on different days. He says it’s pure hell for scheduling for about two weeks on either end of the change. Airlines want to stay on a standard time with no daylight saving. Politicians now seem to want it the other way around. What a mess.

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Originally Posted by rollalongnow View Post
Agreed. The problem is when they talk about abolishing changing the clocks, they get it backward. They usually want to stay on DST. Eff that. I don’t want the sun up late in the fall. In the summer it will still be light until 730 or so. I hate trying to go to sleep when it’s still light out in the summer. Pain in the rear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayl..._United_States

Have a friend in the aviation business. They say that DST is a nightmare because they have to re-time all of their hub flights when the clocks change. Markets that don’t change time lose connection opportunities and then you add in that certain countries change on different days. He says it’s pure hell for scheduling for about two weeks on either end of the change. Airlines want to stay on a standard time with no daylight saving. Politicians now seem to want it the other way around. What a mess.
Staying on standard time year around means dawn in high summer will be near 0400. Try sleeping in when proper sun-up is before 0500, just as bad as trying to go top sleep with the sun still up.
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I'm waiting patiently for the "pro-daylight saving time novelty poster" to appear in this thread.

Where is he? Has he given up the cause? Gone over to the dark side, so to speak?

FWIW, I loathe and detest DST. Serves no purpose other than annoying and inconveniencing people, and as an exercise of control.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Staying on standard time year around means dawn in high summer will be near 0400. Try sleeping in when proper sun-up is before 0500, just as bad as trying to go top sleep with the sun still up.
Hotel curtains work great for conditions like that.
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Hotel curtains work great for conditions like that.
I never find they do, when I'm on the road and need an eye-mask.

Of course...when I'm out bike camping, the birds stirring in the morning wake me, no matter what, no need for an alarm..
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I never find they do, when I'm on the road and need an eye-mask.

Of course...when I'm out bike camping, the birds stirring in the morning wake me, no matter what, no need for an alarm..
Wild life. Yeah, sometimes I wish wild life would shut up and go back to sleep.
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
I'm waiting patiently for the "pro-daylight saving time novelty poster" to appear in this thread.

Where is he? Has he given up the cause? Gone over to the dark side, so to speak?

FWIW, I loathe and detest DST. Serves no purpose other than annoying and inconveniencing people, and as an exercise of control.
Post 35, Grumpy:
https://www.bikeforums.net/21121263-post35.html

DST is but one example of mankind's triumph over nature.
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DST is but one example of mankind's triumph over nature.
And, like so many of our little monkey “triumphs” over nature, it’s not nearly as much of a triumph as we think it is.
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