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Old 03-09-16, 08:37 AM
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All things ancient and maritime

Can you tell I know nothing of tall ships? Awesome.

So, despite the plethora of internet info, I cannot seem to confirm the existence of a USS constitution,
AND, a USS Constellation.

Nor can I seem to confirm that I saw, not in detail, the Constitution in port in Baltimore.

Would love any help on this.

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Old 03-09-16, 09:12 AM
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we got an old boat up here in our neck of the woods, ever hear of Old Ironsides?





https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/restoration/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)

"Old Ironsides" Earns its Name, 1812
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The Constellation is in Port in Baltimore as a museum ship and welcomes visitors.

The Constitution (aka Old Ironsides) is in Boston, also as a museum open to visitors.

So unless the OP was seeing a distant image reflected off the clouds, he probably saw the Constellation.
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Then I would say I saw the Constellation (blue-ish waterline) and not the Constitution, (reddish waterline?)

Both are battleships though, yes?

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Originally Posted by intransit1217 View Post
Then I would say I saw the Constellation (blue-ish waterline) and not the Constitution, (reddish waterline?)

Both are battleships though, yes?

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Minor correction

Both are museums. Also, neither was a battleship, since that term didn't come into use for almost another 100 years. Both were Frigates. If you wish, you might call them warships, which is a more general term.

BTW - I've never visited the Constellation, but the Constitution is a worthwhile visit if you have any interest in naval, or US history. Probably a good stop if doing a family visit to their locations.
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Many Nation's Navy training schools have a square rigged ship . I was in Scotland , and went to Aberdeen

where many of them had stopped in that port during a competition that started in Northern Norway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_Ships%27_Races


USCG has the Eagle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Eagle_(WIX-327)

Amateur college student crew, we have the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Washington


BTW the Constitution is in Mass not MD, In a drydock it appears..
USS CONSTITUTION MUSEUM | Charlestown Navy Yard, Building 22, Charlestown, MA 02129 |

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USS Constitution in Baltimore (in 1931)



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Ours just has hatches and was put indoors a few years back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-505


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I crewed on the Brig Niagara for a weekend.



It was amazing. I would only climb to the first spar, about 30 ft off of the deck. My friend went all the way to the royals, over 110 ft off of the deck. When I got back and had a chance to think about it, my friend was actually better off. Had he actually fallen, he had a lot of rigging to grab on to on the way down. I had nothing beneath me. Had he hit the deck he would have been dead, had I hit the deck from the first spar, I more than likely would have wished I was dead.

They shot an real cannonball once out on the lake. You could actually hear it moving through the air once it left the cannon. They would fire another blank shot when coming into port. The noise would set off the car alarms in the parking lot.




We slept below deck but was in port so the professional crew was ashore. I brought an air mattress with me. My friend decided to hang a traditional hammock. In the middle of the night I heard a thud. His knot had come untied. Fortunately for him, it was the feet end. He was a good four feet off of the cabin sole.
Believe it or not, there is a special knot for tying up hammocks.
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I wonder if there's a "compass and sextant app". The thought of being out to sea and attempting to use googlemaps etc. gives me a right chuckle.
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I'm going to rename this thread, if I can. "All things ancient and maritime."
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
I crewed on the Brig Niagara for a weekend.



It was amazing. I would only climb to the first spar, about 30 ft off of the deck. My friend went all the way to the royals, over 110 ft off of the deck. When I got back and had a chance to think about it, my friend was actually better off. Had he actually fallen, he had a lot of rigging to grab on to on the way down. I had nothing beneath me. Had he hit the deck he would have been dead, had I hit the deck from the first spar, I more than likely would have wished I was dead.

They shot an real cannonball once out on the lake. You could actually hear it moving through the air once it left the cannon. They would fire another blank shot when coming into port. The noise would set off the car alarms in the parking lot.




We slept below deck but was in port so the professional crew was ashore. I brought an air mattress with me. My friend decided to hang a traditional hammock. In the middle of the night I heard a thud. His knot had come untied. Fortunately for him, it was the feet end. He was a good four feet off of the cabin sole.
Believe it or not, there is a special knot for tying up hammocks.
The hammocks were one thing that stuck with me about the USS Constitution. I toured it in the late 80's when I was in Boston on liberty from the USS JFK. Makes me want to watch some movies/tv shows that do justice to the old look and feel. Master and Commander, and the Starz Network's Black Sails come to mind.
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The hammocks were one thing that stuck with me about the USS Constitution. I toured it in the late 80's when I was in Boston on liberty from the USS JFK. Makes me want to watch some movies/tv shows that do justice to the old look and feel. Master and Commander, and the Starz Network's Black Sails come to mind.
Having slept in a flat bunk on a schooner in rough seas, I've often wished we had hammocks. It's too easy to get dumped out the open side of a flat bed when the boat rolls.
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The majority of my sailing experience was aboard one of these:

CastleCraft Sunflower Sailboat | Snark Sunflower 3.3 Sailboats

No joke. We'd lug and load it nose first, wedged between the seats of our 76 chevy van dubbed the grey whale and head out to the local reservoir and try not to get run over by Hobies and Prindles.

Good times. Unless the wind got squirrely. And dad had tied the mainsheet to the daggerboard. And I couldn't get the haul to un-cleat to drop the sail. Then got rescued by a fellow snark-er.

Not my best day sailing.

But I love to watch the Americas cup cats foiling !
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Originally Posted by intransit1217 View Post
I wonder if there's a "compass and sextant app". The thought of being out to sea and attempting to use googlemaps etc. gives me a right chuckle.
I have my grandfather's sextant, it is awesome. When we are navigating to Cibola after the GPS satellites have all been shot down I will cruise right past you all. It is definitely not carbon fiber or even titanium though so definitely a weight penalty.
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Best have already Printed out the charts, before that outage.

to not run aground you need to know where your keel is relative to the Bottom of the water beneath you.


There are Tuesday Night Sail races on the Columbia estuary in the summer ,
and off shore ones between here and Newport.
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According to the Washington Post, the Constitution is the only ship now in the Navy that has sunk an enemy ship in battle.
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Originally Posted by intransit1217 View Post
I wonder if there's a "compass and sextant app". The thought of being out to sea and attempting to use googlemaps etc. gives me a right chuckle.
There is a compass app.

There are sextant apps... wherein you load the sun/moon/star angles, and times, and it does the calculations based on the proper Almanac.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....Sextant&hl=en

There used to be hand held calculators for this too. The ironic thing is that if the "great EMP" occurs, then all those electronic devices will be dead, and you will have to rely on paper charts, good mechanical watch, paper Almanac, and hand calculations for your location... so it is best to learn to do those, vice depending on some electronic device.

If you want to use electronics, just get a GPS.
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Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
According to the Washington Post, the Constitution is the only ship now in the Navy that has sunk an enemy ship in battle.
Wow cool.

My daughter's 5th grade class has an all-day cruise on this schooner coming up:

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It was by accident, as I had no idea it was a planned event, but a number of years ago in San Diego bay, they had a mock battle with a number of tall ships, and I happened to sail right into the middle of it... fortunately my boat has tanbark sails and looks somewhat classic, so it fit right in.
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It was by accident, as I had no idea it was a planned event, but a number of years ago in San Diego bay, they had a mock battle with a number of tall ships, and I happened to sail right into the middle of it... fortunately my boat has tanbark sails and looks somewhat classic, so it fit right in.
Similar thing happened to me except it was on the Chesapeake and it was WWII.



I am pretty sure that was a Japanese Zero in the photo.
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