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Old 06-23-19, 12:46 PM
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Future of Campagnolo

Where do you see Campagnolo in the future, say 15 to 25 years from now? I have my own opinions, but I'll keep them to myself initially so as not to influence the direction of this thread.
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I believe in the same position they are now. They are a niche component manufacturer now. Like Ferrari, I believe there will always be a large enough group of well funded cyclists to keep them going.
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They will keep their position as the most prestigious group and components maker, the same way its been since it was started.
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They will be the first to market "shift by thought" technology.
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Originally Posted by horatio View Post
They will be the first to market "shift by thought" technology.
As long as you can think in Italian...

If I'm still around in 15-20 years I'll still be buying Campag. Some folks like STI, some like Ergo and so it goes.

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Sometimes you have to give up quality and performance if you want the very best.
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Sometimes you have to give up quality and performance if you want the very best.
/thread.

I was going to say something similar, but this is so much better.
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Sometimes you have to give up quality and performance if you want the very best.
I'm a Campy man through and through, even have a Campy tattoo, but that ^^^ is funny!
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Sometimes you have to give up quality and performance if you want the very best.
Lol, I honestly have to say I ride all sorts of stuff on my 25 or so bikes. The Campy gives me the least trouble which seems to go against its reputation.
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Lol, I honestly have to say I ride all sorts of stuff on my 25 or so bikes. The Campy gives me the least trouble which seems to go against its reputation.
I made that comment for entertainment.
I think Campy is better built and lasts longer.

The Shimano Dura Ace Di2 works better.
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Is it 1968 again?

Meanwhile:

1984: "Lo spostamento indicizzato uno scherzo"

1984: "Le mountain bike sono uno scherzo."

1987: "Syncro semplicemente non funziona affatto."

1987: "Solo un completo idiota con pi soldi avrebbe senso acquistare o componenti. Aumenta i prezzi ora!"

In the years since:
"Cosa possiamo copiare da Shimano senza essere citati in giudizio per violazione di brevetto?

Spostamento ellittico! Santa Maria, Madre di Dio, stiamo andando fuori mercato!

Aumenta di nuovo i prezzi!"

Tomorrow:
"Campagnolo ha venduto al conglomerato Cinese "Happy Campy Bike" per somma non rivelata e asilo politico per i migliori dirigenti Campagnolo a Macao."


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Originally Posted by onyerleft View Post
Where do you see Campagnolo in the future, say 15 to 25 years from now? I have my own opinions, but I'll keep them to myself initially so as not to influence the direction of this thread.
The suspense.... Is it time yet? Please?
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I made that comment for entertainment.
I think Campy is better built and lasts longer.

The Shimano Dura Ace Di2 works better.
I doubt my bikes will ever see battery driven, wire controlled shifting.



And dang it, still need to fix the rear brake housing on this. I keep forgetting.
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I doubt my bikes will ever see battery driven, wire controlled shifting.



And dang it, still need to fix the rear brake housing on this. I keep forgetting.
I don't have anything so new.



Me on tandem #4 . Delta Brakes - so cool - so ineffective.
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In 15 years, i'll still be riding a dozen bikes with NR derailleurs, Record hubs, various Campy brakes, etc.

Where the cycling industry will be, i have no clue.
If Italian craftmanship and design style do not survive, it will be a less interesting Universe.
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I have to wonder if we'll see some antitrust legislation that will prohibit manufactures from cutting exclusive deals with single partners.

Then we might see Giants, Treks, Specialized bikes, etc coming with a greater selection of components.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post

Me on tandem #4 . Delta Brakes - so cool - so ineffective.
Dude, I so need a helmet like that!

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Nice 95 tandem and that picture brings back some fun memories for me since I have not rode this ride in almost 3 decades:
The Rosarito Ensenada BikeRide began in 1979. It is an award-winning 50-mile bicycle ride along the Pacific Coast and inland through rural countryside from Rosarito Beach to Ensenada, plus a Finish Line Fiesta on the Ensenada waterfront with food, drinks and live music until sunset.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
In 15 years, i'll still be riding a dozen bikes with NR derailleurs, Record hubs, various Campy brakes, etc.

Where the cycling industry will be, i have no clue.
If Italian craftmanship and design style do not survive, it will be a less interesting Universe.
I have the same plans
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Nice 95 tandem and that picture brings back some fun memories for me since I have not rode this ride in almost 3 decades:
The Rosarito Ensenada BikeRide began in 1979. It is an award-winning 50-mile bicycle ride along the Pacific Coast and inland through rural countryside from Rosarito Beach to Ensenada, plus a Finish Line Fiesta on the Ensenada waterfront with food, drinks and live music until sunset.
That year we were 1st bike by about 10 min ~2:00 (Ditto for Tecate-Ensenada).

Some 5,000-8,000 lined up behind the start line. We were on it and a few thousand started ahead. When we started a motor cop was on the left pulling over traffic, coming the opposite direction. I yelled loudly "GOoooo! And he did. We go in behind him (200 ft) and the path was clear. We held 27-30 mph for about 20 min in the left while passing the hundreds of club packs on the right doing low 20s. By that picture over Montezuma there were 3 bikes. One is hidden behind us. I had a 57T (Campy) front and 12 (might have been an 11, think it was 12) rear and we just took off down the other side.
That was a fun time.

Anyway that was a C-Record setup on cranks (same side drive), brakes, posts. I still have most the parts. This was all before my son was born. When my son got into racing, support became the bigger issue. I switched to Shimano. The build differences are obvious. But the function was also better. When it would break/wear out - you would buy the next model. If I lived nowhere near a bike shop, road alone in an Omega Man (70s movie for the youth) world - I'd have Campy. Because I don't, and can afford to buy the next setup every so often (and have hand-me-down kid race parts), I use what I think works better - until it doesn't work at all.

My Campy stuff will outlast my Shimano stuff, primarily because I don't ride it.

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Few trivia things. See the front fork of clubmate Curtis. We knew he was with us, didn't know where he was in the pictures.
That was my 2nd tandem built by Dwan - Co-Motion founder and first under that brand name. It was my 3rd tandem.
My first one by him, was his first one.
TT is a steel elliptical tube Phil Wood rolled for me. I wanted a straight run around the seat tube.
Rear bars attached into that top tube, not the seat.
That rear White Industries hub we munched the axle. It had roller bearings on the non-hardened axle and my stoker was so strong when we jump hard on it one day we pulled the bearing right into the axle.
I would build my wheels. Front is 32hole tied and soldered. I found acid flux that would allow solder to stick.
Those were clinchers mainly because I was afraid of no support. I should of been on the tubulars, considering the road, but I didn't know.
This was before reliable deeper section carbon rims that allow 20 hole front I use now.

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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
That year we were 1st bike by about 10 min ~2:00 (Ditto for Tecate-Ensenada).

Some 5,000-8,000 lined up behind the start line. We were on it and a few thousand started ahead. When we started a motor cop was on the left pulling over traffic, coming the opposite direction. I yelled loudly "GOoooo! And he did. We go in behind him (200 ft) and the path was clear. We held 27-30 mph for about 20 min in the left while passing the hundreds of club packs on the right doing low 20s. By that picture over Montezuma there were 3 bikes. One is hidden behind us. I had a 57T (Campy) front and 12 (might have been an 11, think it was 12) rear and we just took off down the other side.
That was a fun time.

Anyway that was a C-Record setup on cranks (same side drive), brakes, posts. I still have most the parts. This was all before my son was born. When my son got into racing, support became the bigger issue. I switched to Shimano. The build differences are obvious. But the function was also better. When it would break/wear out - you would buy the next model. If I lived nowhere near a bike shop, road alone in an Omega Man (70s movie for the youth) world - I'd have Campy. Because I don't, and can afford to buy the next setup every so often (and have hand-me-down kid race parts), I use what I think works better - until it doesn't work at all.

My Campy stuff will outlast my Shimano stuff, primarily because I don't ride it.
Impressive ... 57T at 27-30 mph for awhile passing all those club groups doing low 20s. You guys got to startup the party at the Finish Line Fiesta
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When I got into road bikes in the early 90s, many improvements occurred to me, which have pretty much all come to pass, plus a couple of others (I didn't see electric shifting coming, which seems dumb in retrospect). It was as if technology had been passing road bikes by for decades, something the MTB crew wasn't going to let happen to them.

But now, it's hard to imagine anything but the most incremental improvements; designing the road bike is pretty much done, I reckon. There's only one significant improvement I can see to be made...

It occurred to me while punching numbers into an excel spreadsheet of gear ratios. The problem to solve: the need for closer ratios as speed increases isn't met by a standard drivetrain - once you're on 1t jumps, the opposite happens. This blows. I don't give a rat's arse that folks have been putting up with it for years; this shortcoming is clear to anyone who sees that a rider's power and/or efficiency follows a curve against rpm and has a peak, and is aware that aero drag is proportional to the cube of speed.

So IMO it's the last of the low-hanging fruit. The (partial) solution: a half-step triple, with 38/50/52t rings. Due to the maths, that's the only ring combo near standard size that smooths out the jumps nicely - try it yourself if you're skeptical, make a graph from the table. A standard drivetrain gives you a line that curves up, when it should curve down. My setup makes a straight line, which is halfway there... the only way to get it any better on a derailer drivetrain would be to go to a tiny chain pitch; its an inescapable physical limitation. Anyway, I'm pretty sure it'll happen sooner or later because gearing is important, and we're at the point where only far more incremental improvements to the bike are otherwise available.

I even bought a bunch of bits to see if it'd squeeze into the space for a double - the 38t is a couple of mm further inboard, with the 50t following it inboard from the big ring position, and the 52t with a minimal gap from it (like on a cassette), a couple of mm outboard from the standard big ring position. The 38t ring was a 110/130 job which allowed me to mock it all up. The 50t flexed too much, and it really required a specific FD cage, not to mention appropriate tooth profiling on the rings, but it passed as a proof of concept.

Naturally, it only makes sense as an electronic system; I was that keen I programmed an Arduino to control a couple of servos, with standard and half-step modes, but gave up at the point of making the servos into derailer actuators (was going to use pulleys with a second eccentric groove for non linear spring tension to minimise load on the servos), when I found it'd shift like crap without bespoke rings and FD.

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