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Old 07-13-11, 12:55 PM
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ok even with the home pillow which i wont forget the next time, i still find it very hard to sleep.
the guy i tour with is only 30 seconds in his own tent and he's snoring his brains out.
as i said, i thought there would be lots of campers suffering the same thing.
so i guess i will have to lay back on the tea/coffee and get some sleeping tablets from the doc, i would hate to have to give up touring because of this problem,
god the nights can be so so long, all kinds of thoughts come into play when you lie awake in a field miles from home, i did think of selling the lot when i got back home but i've spent a lot of money on gear all top quality and my thorn bike would break my heart to sell it cheap, i would lose a hell of a lot of money as there no profit in selling stuff on.
anyway guess i will have to sort this out as theres so much touring left in my legs to give it all up.
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Old 07-13-11, 01:10 PM
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(if your Thorn is about a 54cm top tube, then I whole heartedly encourage you to sell it and your other gear rather cheaply, my pm shall follow)

;-)

seriously, dont know when you drink tea/coffee in the day, but who knows if that is it.
I dunno, but if after riding a bike for most of a day you still cant sleep reasonably well, who knows what the issue is. I spent my childhood camping so sleeping in a tent is a complete non issue (given all the standard pre-requisites, a somewhat comfortable thermarest, warm enough sleeping bag, knowing my tent is fine in a rainstorm, and a reasonably comfortable pillow or facsimilie of one)

good luck with it (err, what frame size is the Thorn.......?)
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Old 07-13-11, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by djb View Post
(if your Thorn is about a 54cm top tube, then I whole heartedly encourage you to sell it and your other gear rather cheaply, my pm shall follow)

;-)

seriously, dont know when you drink tea/coffee in the day, but who knows if that is it.
I dunno, but if after riding a bike for most of a day you still cant sleep reasonably well, who knows what the issue is. I spent my childhood camping so sleeping in a tent is a complete non issue (given all the standard pre-requisites, a somewhat comfortable thermarest, warm enough sleeping bag, knowing my tent is fine in a rainstorm, and a reasonably comfortable pillow or facsimilie of one)

good luck with it (err, what frame size is the Thorn.......?)
cheers djb touring is still new to me i never slept in a tent in my life until 3 years ago so its still all new to me.
my thorn is reall a dream machine for touring i did fall out with it a while back ,found it very sluggish on climbs but that was just the easy way out it's not the bike just the pilot.

btw its to small for ya. 51cm i'm only a wee guy 5.6 tall .but very good looking hah.
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Old 07-13-11, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by antokelly View Post
ah you cant get them bags for free on this side of te pond they cost 10 cent each .
Ok, forget that idea.
But regarding the tea/coffee, some people are just super sensitive to caffeine. My gf is like that. She can have one coke at noon and she will lay awake that night for hours and hours. Me, on the other hand, I can drink coffee right before bed and sleep like a baby. It would be a shame to give up touring for this - try cutting out the caffeine completely. I know, drastic measures, but to keep touring it would be worth it. Maybe a non-caffeinated substitute of some sort?

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i dunno, but I would think grocery bags would be awfully "crinckly" as in sound crinckles.
I thought so too, but in practice they weren't bad at all, especially covered with my fleece.

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Old 07-13-11, 03:09 PM
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You can get melatonin pills in the diet supplement section in any pharmacy. Safe, easy and work for most people. Simply the same hormone that your body produces to signal sleepiness.
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Old 07-13-11, 03:49 PM
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You can get melatonin pills in the diet supplement section in any pharmacy. Safe, easy and work for most people. Simply the same hormone that your body produces to signal sleepiness.
thanks for that might be worth a try.
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Old 07-13-11, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by antokelly View Post
i was plenty tired believe me and i had not one but two inflatable pillows, didn't work still awake all night.
Screw the inflatable pillows and the stuffing-a-stuff-sack-with-clothes jive and buy a compressible pillow or a real pillow. A good night's sleep is worth the extra weight/space.
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Old 07-13-11, 06:22 PM
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simplygib-I too am fairly sensitive to caffeine, morning is best for me with tea.

anto--from what I have seen of Thorns, they really do look like lovely built bikes that will last and last and last. All the best with the sleeping thing, and I agree with Erik the Viking, whatever pillow works go with it, a good nights sleep is completely worth it.

cheers again.
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Old 07-13-11, 06:30 PM
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I sewed my own pillow with some fleece and goose down. Weighs like 5oz, and totally worth the extra weight. Packs down to the size of a softball.

That paired with a couple shots of whiskey, I sleep better in a tent than I do at home!
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Old 07-13-11, 07:05 PM
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Towel in a t-shirt works as a pillow for me. But I still haven't cracked the poor sleeping problem.
I reckon that because I don't do a very energetic job; my body gets confused when it gets put to work for hour after hour.
My brain tells me that I need a good nights sleep while my body says "Are we going to do this or what?"
It does get better if the tour goes into a second month. But that might be because the body adjusts slowly to the new routine or because my new fitness copes better with the exersion or both.
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Old 07-14-11, 04:29 AM
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next time out the pillow is top of the packing list .
djb the thing i find with the thorn is it's so solid on the road loaded or unloaded nothing seems to faze it .
i went down a decent over in the cotswolds last year at 45mph fully loaded, the bike was great the pilot was scared stiff but yeah great touring bike these thorn boys know how to build a tourer.
pity they dont give lessons on how to relax when the zip is pulled shut on the tent.
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Old 07-14-11, 06:50 AM
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xanax.... I can't sleep at home so the only way I can sleep outside is to drug myself.
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Old 07-14-11, 08:51 AM
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[QUOTE=antokelly;12926463
pity they dont give lessons on how to relax when the zip is pulled shut on the tent.[/QUOTE]

I have always had the ability to sleep just about anywhere, can catch a needed snooze wherever, it bugs my wife who doesnt sleep well....
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Old 07-14-11, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by skyzo View Post
I sewed my own pillow with some fleece and goose down. Weighs like 5oz, and totally worth the extra weight. Packs down to the size of a softball.

That paired with a couple shots of whiskey, I sleep better in a tent than I do at home!
Where did you source the goose down? Locally or online?
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Old 07-14-11, 09:45 AM
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Unless I am completely obliterated in alcohol, there is no way I can sleep in a hammock, and if I do so the next day will wake up destroyed.

I agree with uci, to practice more at home before going on tour. Similar like when I fight with the wifey and have to sleep on the couch, the first few days it sucks, but by the 3rd day I am sleeping like a baby.
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Old 07-14-11, 12:03 PM
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Unless I am completely obliterated in alcohol, there is no way I can sleep in a hammock, and if I do so the next day will wake up destroyed.

I agree with uci, to practice more at home before going on tour. Similar like when I fight with the wifey and have to sleep on the couch, the first few days it sucks, but by the 3rd day I am sleeping like a baby.
Might want to invest in a pull-out sleeper sofa.
(Personal experience. . .)
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Old 07-14-11, 12:35 PM
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lads never upset the wife they always win the battle no matter what.
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Old 07-20-11, 03:43 PM
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i came across a site in America that sells down camping pillows really look the business .i email them a week ago still no reply so has anyone got a link to a company that makes these pillows thanks.
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I may be the only person ever to use his annual REI discount and dividend on a camp pillow. After I blow up my Big Agnes sleeping pad, I stuff my Nano-puff jacket into the stuff sack. Only improvised pillow that's ever felt good. About $120 after the 20% discount (not counting the BA stuff sack). Ultralighters would be proud of my dual-purposing.

Lying awake has become more and more common with me as I get older. However, on tour or while backpacking, I don't mind lying awake in my tent as long as I have my headlamp and a book. It's at home when I know I have to work the next day that wakefulness sucks.
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Old 07-20-11, 09:04 PM
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Unless I am completely obliterated in alcohol, there is no way I can sleep in a hammock, and if I do so the next day will wake up destroyed.
Have you tried it? I find the hammock very comfortable and it's my preferred shelter for short solo trips.
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Old 07-20-11, 09:41 PM
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I always carry a camelbak even if I don't use it for water normally. Its there for long waterless stretches, and at night I can blow it up and use it as a pillow, works like a charm.
One thing I learned in the army, always have a camelbak. Makes a good sitting pad, pillow, water carrier, hot water bottle for cold nights, all sorts of uses.
If that doesn't work you just need to harden up a bit.
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Old 07-21-11, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spike57 View Post
I may be the only person ever to use his annual REI discount and dividend on a camp pillow. After I blow up my Big Agnes sleeping pad, I stuff my Nano-puff jacket into the stuff sack. Only improvised pillow that's ever felt good. About $120 after the 20% discount (not counting the BA stuff sack). Ultralighters would be proud of my dual-purposing.
Pshah, a true ultra-lighter would be wearing the nano-puff in the sleeping bag; you can shave off 4 ounces by carrying a lighter bag that way.

I've also spent a night very drunk in a hammock, speaking from experience it isn't really any difference than doing it sober. It's pretty comfy either way.
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
Have you tried it? I find the hammock very comfortable and it's my preferred shelter for short solo trips.
Jealous of you hammock guys...
I'm a sleep thrasher. It would never work.
Curious, do you ever find problems finding trees properly spaced?
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Originally Posted by MNBikeguy View Post
Curious, do you ever find problems finding trees properly spaced?
Not yet. I'm from Ontario, trees are plentiful here. In a natural stand of trees you're guaranteed to find suitable trees. In an artificially landscaped setting, such as a campground, it's more difficult. I've only camped three times in campgrounds with the hammock and all three times I was lucky to find suitable trees in my lot. It should be easy to switch to a different lot though.
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I generally have a hard time sleeping the first couple of nights away from my own bed, whether that be on the ground, in a hotel room or someone else's house. I'm a frustratingly light sleeper to begin with and when camping, this is compounded by the "Gee, I hope I don't have to get up to pee" syndrome. I rarely get up in the night at home, and if I do, it's generally only once. In a sleeping bag, it's every couple of hours. :-)

But, I do like sleeping in my tent, or under the stars so generally I try to find as flat a spot as I can, then take the time to clear away any rocks, twigs, pine cones or whatever from underneath me. If I can find a nice grassy spot, then better still. I try to limit my liquid intake as I get closer to bed time and take every opportunity to pee before turning in. If I don't sleep well tonight, then I probably will tomorrow. Or if not then, hopefully the night after.
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