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aerospokes and the rio io look a lot different when you're looking at them irl. aerospokes spokes are ridiculous - fat, practically round cross-section. the io's - like the old io - have a graceful taper.
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EDIT: That could be the opposite, because all of their track cogs are splined.
https://www.singlespeedshop.com/Singl...g-Carrier.html
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Mavic won't publish any wind tunnel data on the iO. Frederico from Marketing says "It's lighter and faster!", so I believe him
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The Japanese national team riders have been riding these for the past few seasons, also a narrower-blade than the old IO. As far as I can tell, they are made by a company called Nova Engineering and marketed under the brand name "Realize". In person they look like top notch work.
https://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20...07.jpg?caw=800
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#4735
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They don't seem to be the same wheel. Look at the carbon layup where the spokes meet the rim.
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I know that there are at least three versions of this wheel. There was a pre London Olympics one, one they developed for London, and then a newer version since then. Of course this is badly translated and poorly understood hearsay...
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I don’t have good a picture of my current set up.
And sorry for the late post
https://ibb.co/hENxn6
I have a break so I can go to a velodrome, so please ignore.
And sorry for the late post
https://ibb.co/hENxn6
I have a break so I can go to a velodrome, so please ignore.
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Didn't want to start a new thread just yet, as I'm still up in the air about the whole thing.
My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
I have a lot of parts hanging around the house. Cranks, bars, stem, a front tubular wheel, pedals, etc. Really, the only thing's I'll need are a frame/fork, rear wheel, cog and chain.
So, should I just buy some dirt cheap steel frame off eBay? If I were looking for a road or MTB frame I'd know what to look for, but I'm a bit lost in terms of track bikes. I presume horizontal dropouts are a must, but what else should I be looking for? Any brands known for good quality at the lower price points? I don't care if the frame is a tank or has the aerodynamic properties of a brick. I just don't want to have a catastrophic failure in the middle of race. I'm probably looking at a 50cm or so frame, so, unfortunately the selection is limited when compared to other sizes.
Also, what kind of gearing should I be looking at? I plan on heading to their open training nights, as well as their endurance racing nights as well. Not sure if that will influence recommendations but thought I'd put it out there.
My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
I have a lot of parts hanging around the house. Cranks, bars, stem, a front tubular wheel, pedals, etc. Really, the only thing's I'll need are a frame/fork, rear wheel, cog and chain.
So, should I just buy some dirt cheap steel frame off eBay? If I were looking for a road or MTB frame I'd know what to look for, but I'm a bit lost in terms of track bikes. I presume horizontal dropouts are a must, but what else should I be looking for? Any brands known for good quality at the lower price points? I don't care if the frame is a tank or has the aerodynamic properties of a brick. I just don't want to have a catastrophic failure in the middle of race. I'm probably looking at a 50cm or so frame, so, unfortunately the selection is limited when compared to other sizes.
Also, what kind of gearing should I be looking at? I plan on heading to their open training nights, as well as their endurance racing nights as well. Not sure if that will influence recommendations but thought I'd put it out there.
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I don’t have good a picture of my current set up.
And sorry for the late post
https://ibb.co/hENxn6
I have a break so I can go to a velodrome, so please ignore.
And sorry for the late post
https://ibb.co/hENxn6
I have a break so I can go to a velodrome, so please ignore.
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Didn't want to start a new thread just yet, as I'm still up in the air about the whole thing.
My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
I have a lot of parts hanging around the house. Cranks, bars, stem, a front tubular wheel, pedals, etc. Really, the only thing's I'll need are a frame/fork, rear wheel, cog and chain.
So, should I just buy some dirt cheap steel frame off eBay? If I were looking for a road or MTB frame I'd know what to look for, but I'm a bit lost in terms of track bikes. I presume horizontal dropouts are a must, but what else should I be looking for? Any brands known for good quality at the lower price points? I don't care if the frame is a tank or has the aerodynamic properties of a brick. I just don't want to have a catastrophic failure in the middle of race. I'm probably looking at a 50cm or so frame, so, unfortunately the selection is limited when compared to other sizes.
Also, what kind of gearing should I be looking at? I plan on heading to their open training nights, as well as their endurance racing nights as well. Not sure if that will influence recommendations but thought I'd put it out there.
My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
I have a lot of parts hanging around the house. Cranks, bars, stem, a front tubular wheel, pedals, etc. Really, the only thing's I'll need are a frame/fork, rear wheel, cog and chain.
So, should I just buy some dirt cheap steel frame off eBay? If I were looking for a road or MTB frame I'd know what to look for, but I'm a bit lost in terms of track bikes. I presume horizontal dropouts are a must, but what else should I be looking for? Any brands known for good quality at the lower price points? I don't care if the frame is a tank or has the aerodynamic properties of a brick. I just don't want to have a catastrophic failure in the middle of race. I'm probably looking at a 50cm or so frame, so, unfortunately the selection is limited when compared to other sizes.
Also, what kind of gearing should I be looking at? I plan on heading to their open training nights, as well as their endurance racing nights as well. Not sure if that will influence recommendations but thought I'd put it out there.
I'm sure with those palmares you would consider yourself an "enduro" on the track -------
Don't overthink it ----- I don't know if COS has any rental bikes to get you through the certification process , but they may ---
Just show up, and if available, use the rental stuff, (bring your own pedals though) and keep an open mind at first --- If your a road Cat 2, you have some experience and fitness which will serve you well,
Ultimately yes, a proper track bike is essential, -- and not many of the parts you have in inventory will have much use -- Its easier to buy a complete bike that's ready to go, like a Fuji Elite or a Felt TK series or even a Bianchi Pista at the most basic . The dimensions are different (!/8 chainsets at 144 bcd, plus the forces on a front wheel are much higher than on the road, so the wheels are usually heavier in general )
In short --- I see people at the track on $450 machines and having a great time and being competitive in their respective classes ---- but if your a Cat 2 , you will want your own machine pretty soon if this is something you can do regularly
Ive seen guys' on the more modestly priced alloy Felts and Fujis racing at high levels, --- not to mention the Specialized Langsters --- which originally I didn't even think had track geometry but I may be wrong on that----- Its kind of a paradox in that yes, you need the right equipment, but after a certain point when everyone has a proper track bike, -- the equipment choices don't matter much
Lots of us on this forum geek out on equipment stuff that may only amount to tenths of seconds in a pure sprint situation , but in a long points race, --- ehhhhh maybe not as big a deal
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Didn't want to start a new thread just yet, as I'm still up in the air about the whole thing.
My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
I have a lot of parts hanging around the house. Cranks, bars, stem, a front tubular wheel, pedals, etc. Really, the only thing's I'll need are a frame/fork, rear wheel, cog and chain.
So, should I just buy some dirt cheap steel frame off eBay? If I were looking for a road or MTB frame I'd know what to look for, but I'm a bit lost in terms of track bikes. I presume horizontal dropouts are a must, but what else should I be looking for? Any brands known for good quality at the lower price points? I don't care if the frame is a tank or has the aerodynamic properties of a brick. I just don't want to have a catastrophic failure in the middle of race. I'm probably looking at a 50cm or so frame, so, unfortunately the selection is limited when compared to other sizes.
Also, what kind of gearing should I be looking at? I plan on heading to their open training nights, as well as their endurance racing nights as well. Not sure if that will influence recommendations but thought I'd put it out there.
My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
I have a lot of parts hanging around the house. Cranks, bars, stem, a front tubular wheel, pedals, etc. Really, the only thing's I'll need are a frame/fork, rear wheel, cog and chain.
So, should I just buy some dirt cheap steel frame off eBay? If I were looking for a road or MTB frame I'd know what to look for, but I'm a bit lost in terms of track bikes. I presume horizontal dropouts are a must, but what else should I be looking for? Any brands known for good quality at the lower price points? I don't care if the frame is a tank or has the aerodynamic properties of a brick. I just don't want to have a catastrophic failure in the middle of race. I'm probably looking at a 50cm or so frame, so, unfortunately the selection is limited when compared to other sizes.
Also, what kind of gearing should I be looking at? I plan on heading to their open training nights, as well as their endurance racing nights as well. Not sure if that will influence recommendations but thought I'd put it out there.
As DMC states, a basic bike is fine until you know what you want.
Being that there are a reasonable number of popular frames and components out there, it's likely that someone here will be familiar with them and can give you a quick "yea/nay" on if you should buy it or not.
The equipment is all pretty basic. On the track, the engine and aerodynamics (rider on the bike) are generally what makes winners. The equipment choices are simply to avoid problems first then to add some sort of gain second. For example, a tried and true steel or aluminum frame with no issues would be a far "faster" frame than a new carbon spaceship with slipping seatpost due to bad engineering tolerances.
Also, carbon isn't necessarily better. There are aluminum frames that are lighter, stiffer, more aerodynamic, and less expensive than some carbon frames. It's all about the details.
Fit trumps materials every damn day. But, you probably know that.
Clinchers are fine. Use quality tires and tubes.
Chances are, you'll be bitten by the bug and replace whatever you buy now. So, maybe don't go too big right now.
Also, your race front wheel from the road would probably be fine on the track. But, as you take your certification classes and progress through the newbie ranks (as you learn rules, skills, and pay your dues (should only be a few weeks)) you won't need race wheels...and would probably be over kill. You'll know when you need the race wheels.
Chances are, during your first few races, the track director won't (or at least shouldn't) let you simply ride away from the field and solo to the win. That doesn't teach you anything. There is a lot to learn even in the lower ranks about how the "flow" of a race happens and the group dynamics. It would be a disservice if you'd never felt that then a few weeks later you are in a P/1/2 race and can't ride away and are uncomfortable and don't know what to do or what to expect. So, stay in the pack until you hear the bell.
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Duke, there are a couple of threads that should interest you:
See what normal folk are riding: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cyc...es-2014-a.html
What tools you might need and some general tips: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cyc...ack-racer.html
Some basic info and thoughts about frames: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cyc...ete-bikes.html (all that glitters ain't gold)
See what normal folk are riding: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cyc...es-2014-a.html
What tools you might need and some general tips: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cyc...ack-racer.html
Some basic info and thoughts about frames: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cyc...ete-bikes.html (all that glitters ain't gold)
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.....................My wife and I moved to the Colorado Springs area recently. And, for the first time in my life, I'm near-ish a velodrome. Less than a 20min drive from home to track. While I'd prefer to ride outside every day, that's simply not feasible, and riding/racing would be a welcome break from the monotony of the trainer/rollers.
So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
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So, I'm looking to build up a track bike. I've ridden a fixed gear a few times but never raced. I know I'll have to take a certification or training class in order to race and I'm fine with that. I'm a 2 on the road and "pro" MTB, so I anticipate moving up quickly, but the rules are the rules.
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Also check out the Boulder Valley Velodrome - it is often open during the winter weather permitting.
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Racing every Thursday evening and training races and TTs on Saturdays April - Oct.
The BVV track is Olympic style; 250m with 41 deg banking.
You may not need to get a track bike immediately if the Spring track has rental bikes - check it out.
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The 'Springs velo is a 333 concrete track with relatively (compared to BVV) shallow angles on the turns. This means you can ride just about anything as long as it does not have brakes or derailleur. Thin, light tires, like Vittoria Speeds etc will not last very long if you use them for training and racing. I learned on LA's version of that track when I started out and still love it. BTW, its also very similar to the vels in Indianapolis and T-Town.
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Chances are, during your first few races, the track director won't (or at least shouldn't) let you simply ride away from the field and solo to the win. That doesn't teach you anything. There is a lot to learn even in the lower ranks about how the "flow" of a race happens and the group dynamics. It would be a disservice if you'd never felt that then a few weeks later you are in a P/1/2 race and can't ride away and are uncomfortable and don't know what to do or what to expect. So, stay in the pack until you hear the bell.
Learning how to race track is very much about rider safety. P/1/2/3's have certain expectations on how racers in their fields will handle their bikes and their positions within the field. In my book, riding off the front in every race, means there won't be a fast-track for an upgrade. I personally won't recommend an upgrade until I see that a new track racer isn't a danger to the other riders. Yeah, I'm the guy who has sit-downs with the riders who made me cringe while I'm up on the judges stand.
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Learning how to race track is very much about rider safety. P/1/2/3's have certain expectations on how racers in their fields will handle their bikes and their positions within the field. In my book, riding off the front in every race, means there won't be a fast-track for an upgrade. I personally won't recommend an upgrade until I see that a new track racer isn't a danger to the other riders. Yeah, I'm the guy who has sit-downs with the riders who made me cringe while I'm up on the judges stand.
Learning how to race track is very much about rider safety. P/1/2/3's have certain expectations on how racers in their fields will handle their bikes and their positions within the field. In my book, riding off the front in every race, means there won't be a fast-track for an upgrade. I personally won't recommend an upgrade until I see that a new track racer isn't a danger to the other riders. Yeah, I'm the guy who has sit-downs with the riders who made me cringe while I'm up on the judges stand.
This did 2 things: It gave the less powerful player a chance to setup and out-play the more powerful player by using ball placement. It also taught the more powerful player to learn to set up his opponent...because when the more powerful player were in an evenly matched tournament, (s)he can't simply blast the ball and expect it not to come back. It's definitely coming back, and with the same pace that (s)he gave it.
Nothing rattles a strong player more than to see his best move not work. "Now what? Oh snap! I have to think now."
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