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Yet a new bike category? Salsa’s new Warroad (no bird required)

Old 03-27-19, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by shoota
They have a cult following like them though.
Yeah without the level of customer service. Santa Cruz would never tell a rider to stop riding their brand new bike for almost a year because of a bad fork.
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Originally Posted by gus6464
Yeah without the level of customer service. Santa Cruz would never tell a rider to stop riding their brand new bike for almost a year because of a bad fork.
It is more funny, still, because Salsa is owned by QBP. If there's any industry giant with the resources to get something fixed/changed and quick--it is QBP.
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Originally Posted by shoota
They have a cult following like them though.
Must be the pepper.
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an interesting, dare to say an unique bike but to be honest it tries too hard to meet road and gravel worlds. Who will enjoy road riding with friends when you have over 2 inch 650b tire? And who will feel safe and secure on gravel descends when riding on bike with this kind of geometry (a short bike with short stem). But I applaud bike companies who try to push the envelope. Like a few years back Cannondale did with Slate model and Open with U.P.
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Maybe we ought to have a "Dream Bike" category - you are dreaming if you think you can actually buy and ride this bike.

In the IT industry we call this vaporware - products which companies claim to have but they are never actually available. The Jamis Renegade Elite is in this category. It doesn't actually exist anywhere.

I wouldn't wait three weeks for delivery of a new bike, let alone three months, or ten like some of you. General availability and reasonable delivery times are basic expectations when buying a bike at these prices. My money would have been returned, willingly or not, and spent elsewhere long ago.

The easiest way for an LBS to loose my business is not call me back and the easiest way for a bike manufacturer to drive me to their competition is to put a gorgeous product on their website, get me excited only to find that it can't actually be ordered, yet, or maybe ever.


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I wonder if anybody at Salsa gave consideration to how CRANKY the introduction of the Warroad would make all those people waiting months for their Warbird orders to be fulfilled? Can a product announcement produce NEGATIVE goodwill? (Or is it just on the gravel forums?)
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Maybe we ought to have a "Dream Bike" category - you are dreaming if you think you can actually buy and ride this bike.

In the IT industry we call this vaporware - products which companies claim to have but they are never actually available. The Jamis Renegade Elite is in this category. It doesn't actually exist anywhere.

I wouldn't wait three weeks for delivery of a new bike, let alone three months, or ten like some of you. General availability and reasonable delivery times are basic expectations when buying a bike at these prices. My money would have been returned, willingly or not, and spent elsewhere long ago.
Yeah- you wouldnt wait three weeks for delivery of a new bike at these prices($3700 for the Renegade Elite and $3400-4400 for the Warroad and $2000 for the Warroad frameset). Oh- wait.

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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Yeah- you wouldnt wait three weeks for delivery of a new bike at these prices($3700 for the Renegade Elite and $3400-4400 for the Warroad and $2000 for the Warroad frameset). Oh- wait.

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Originally Posted by shoota
Careful, you gonna get yourself blacklisted.
ha- 95% sure i was years ago and would have been many times over since.
Humor is definitely not universal. Clever references and good natured joking definitely isnt appreciated by all.

Unfortunate, but you can't please everyone.
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Salsa’s new mountain bikes were in stock almost immediately upon their launch. I dare say you don’t have your Warbird because they were working on this instead.
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Old 03-28-19, 10:07 AM
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an interesting, dare to say an unique bike but to be honest it tries too hard to meet road and gravel worlds. Who will enjoy road riding with friends when you have over 2 inch 650b tire? And who will feel safe and secure on gravel descends when riding on bike with this kind of geometry (a short bike with short stem). But I applaud bike companies who try to push the envelope. Like a few years back Cannondale did with Slate model and Open with U.P.
I don't know nothin, but on the road I would do the 700c wheels, and gravel the 650b wheels. The short chainstays and short stem may not be a problem with a longer top tube and extra slack head tube. But I haven't ridden the thing. Either way, I would buy it over the warbird (pending a test ride) as the warbird was a little to sedate feeling for my riding style. Personally I need something that can do tight urban riding, smooth single track, fast road, and gravel. A bike that handles like a crit bike with larger tires works for me. That isn't your typical gravel bike though - like you said its not great for loose gravel descents (for those lucky to have such a thing).
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Originally Posted by shoota
They have a cult following like them though.
Yup. Along with their Surly bikes which are more or less another cult following. Really never see any Surly bikes anymore.
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Seems basically like the old "sport touring" geometry that was used in many 27x1.25 tire bikes. But, I do not see where Salsa is claiming this is a new category of bike, just something within the existing gravel category that is nudged a bit toward one side rather than the other.
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As I stated previously this bike is no better or different than the Giant Revolt Advanced or other similar bikes now available. Only difference is the Giant cost less and has better components.

$3500 gets you a carbon bike, carbon wheels and Ultrega components.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/revolt-advanced-0

$4300 get you a Carbon Warroad Ultegra with alloy wheels. They are nuts.

https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_ultegra_700
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Ah the bike industry. Pretty soon were gonna see an aero MB tandem with road bike wheels.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Yeah- you wouldnt wait three weeks for delivery of a new bike at these prices($3700 for the Renegade Elite and $3400-4400 for the Warroad and $2000 for the Warroad frameset). Oh- wait.

not fair.... because that's a perfect bike right there.
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only Salsa would Diss the their very own warbirds flexy BB to sell a New Salsa Warroad bike.....

stiffer!!! uh huh!!!
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Giants are always a really good value.

Salsas are maybe a good value with your 15% back by using your REI card...
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
Giants are always a really good value.

Salsas are maybe a good value with your 15% back by using your REI card...
Even the carbon Diverge with Ultegra and alloy wheels is less than the Salsa Warroad. Again...Salsa is nuts on their pricing.

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/me...=227302-154306
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Yeah- you wouldnt wait three weeks for delivery of a new bike at these prices($3700 for the Renegade Elite and $3400-4400 for the Warroad and $2000 for the Warroad frameset). Oh- wait.


The frame is custom - hand built from S3 tubes, tig welded and filet brazed and hand painted.



Even so, after receiving a deposit Rodriquez was able to manufacture the frame and get it to my doorstep in under four weeks.

Having a frame custom made isn't the same as purchasing a mass produced bike advertised on a major manufacturer's website.



Originally Posted by Metieval
not fair.... because that's a perfect bike right there.
I rode it 110 miles at 17.7 MPH this past weekend.

https://www.strava.com/activities/2235244259


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Originally Posted by TimothyH
The frame is custom. Hand built from S3 tubes, tig welded and filet brazed.

Having a frame custom made isn't the same as purchasing a mass produced bike.

Even so, after receiving a deposit Rodriquez was able to manufacture the frame and get it to my doorstep in under four weeks.
It was a joke. I completely get the difference between a custom frame and a mass produced bike/frame. I wasnt at all seriously calling you inconsistent or anything like that. It was simply funny to me that you declared you would never wait 3 weeks when you did wait over 3 weeks.
Again, i get why you waited and it makes total sense. I also get that you were speaking to something besides custom.
It was simply a funny comment to read so I responded in my own funny way(that clearly was lost). Not everything needs to be a serious game of 'gotcha'.

Its a sweet bike, pretty sure its one of the last with S3 since i dont think they use that tubing anymore(according to something of theirs that i read a few months ago) and all that makes it really neat. Take most of what I say with a grain or two of salt.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Again...Salsa is nuts on their pricing.
Salsa may be nuts on their pricing, but they are selling every one they can make! (They just haven't proven all that capable of making very many bikes.)
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Salsa may be nuts on their pricing, but they are selling every one they can make! (They just haven't proven all that capable of making very many bikes.)
So like 5 bikes?
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
The frame is custom - hand built from S3 tubes, tig welded and filet brazed and hand painted.



Even so, after receiving a deposit Rodriquez was able to manufacture the frame and get it to my doorstep in under four weeks.

Having a frame custom made isn't the same as purchasing a mass produced bike advertised on a major manufacturer's website.





I rode it 110 miles at 17.7 MPH this past weekend.

https://www.strava.com/activities/2235244259


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Nice! looked at pictures, and uhhh is your saddle nose that high on your RDO also? just curious
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Originally Posted by prj71
As I stated previously this bike is no better or different than the Giant Revolt Advanced or other similar bikes now available. Only difference is the Giant cost less and has better components.

$3500 gets you a carbon bike, carbon wheels and Ultrega components.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/revolt-advanced-0

$4300 get you a Carbon Warroad Ultegra with alloy wheels. They are nuts.

https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_ultegra_700
I've actually been looking for an all road solution that I can do centuries on yet also go after gravel. I'm also buying my first bike that will come in at $2+k. I own a Salsa Vaya and it's been bullet proof....too bad the Ti version isn't available any longer and that's why the Warroad is on the radar even at $500 more than I want to pay...

I am seriously impressed by the Giant Revolt Advanced 0 but not enough (yet) to pull out the credit card. Going out today in hopes of test riding a Warroad, the Revolt, Cannondale Topstone, a Giant Defy and, weirdly, an Otso Warrakin (heavy but geez it looks sweet in stainless steel). Never tried 650b so looking forward to it...
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