Our new Landshark Tandem!
05-18-18, 11:15 AM
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Hey Rickyb. That is tough to hear as I started using their saddles the very first year they were started offering them for sale to the public. But, I know they have grown and went thru normal growing pains in the process. I've never had any issues with any of the saddles that they didn't address fully and I've sent back maybe 3 out of 8 or 9 saddles since the early 2000's. As far as comfort, there is nothing else like them. Sorry you had such a terrible experience with them.
05-18-18, 11:18 AM
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That is a thing of beauty! Congratulations on the beautiful new ride.
05-18-18, 11:39 AM
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Well, I'm a a bit surprised on the weight after putting it on the scale. I was originally hoping for closer to 29 or 30 lbs. But, we saved $900 by going with the DaVinci cranks over the FSA Carbon cranks which may have saved us 1/3 to 1/2 lbs. And, my saddle is a little over 1lbs as well. Compared to the Cannondale it replaced, I'm saving about 6lbs total. But, other than the weight, everything else is very nice!
This weight includes pedals, computer mount, bell, and captain bar-end mirror. But, no seat pack, computer, or water bottles.
This weight includes pedals, computer mount, bell, and captain bar-end mirror. But, no seat pack, computer, or water bottles.
05-30-18, 06:15 PM
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Beautiful! To save additional weight if you are a weight weenie:
-rim brakes (not an option with your frame it seems)
-fixed stoker stem (da Vinci Ti, don’t recall exact weight)
-lightweight captain stem (80g Extralights)
-lighter handlebars? (200g Zipp SL)
-lighter seatpost a (180g each, KCNC)
-lighter saddles (mine’s 90g padded)
our old alloy Trek tandem is just over 30lbs with lightweight components.
-rim brakes (not an option with your frame it seems)
-fixed stoker stem (da Vinci Ti, don’t recall exact weight)
-lightweight captain stem (80g Extralights)
-lighter handlebars? (200g Zipp SL)
-lighter seatpost a (180g each, KCNC)
-lighter saddles (mine’s 90g padded)
our old alloy Trek tandem is just over 30lbs with lightweight components.
05-30-18, 07:12 PM
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Also could probably cut that steerer tube down to save some weight , it looks so out of place.
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05-31-18, 10:13 AM
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Beautiful! To save additional weight if you are a weight weenie:
-rim brakes (not an option with your frame it seems)
-fixed stoker stem (da Vinci Ti, don’t recall exact weight)
-lightweight captain stem (80g Extralights)
-lighter handlebars? (200g Zipp SL)
-lighter seatpost a (180g each, KCNC)
-lighter saddles (mine’s 90g padded)
our old alloy Trek tandem is just over 30lbs with lightweight components.
-rim brakes (not an option with your frame it seems)
-fixed stoker stem (da Vinci Ti, don’t recall exact weight)
-lightweight captain stem (80g Extralights)
-lighter handlebars? (200g Zipp SL)
-lighter seatpost a (180g each, KCNC)
-lighter saddles (mine’s 90g padded)
our old alloy Trek tandem is just over 30lbs with lightweight components.
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05-31-18, 10:14 AM
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I, too, wondered about that ...not sure why they left it that long and sticking up quite so far.
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05-31-18, 10:14 AM
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After seeing your weight posted I decided to go weigh our Calfee and it weights 34.5 lbs. all up ready to ride. (no water bottle or spares bag but everything else including pedals, computer mounts ,deep dish Zipp 404 wheels 28 mm tires) Our bike does have couplers so that adds about 2 lbs and we have hydraulic brakes as well so your bike is very light as equipped. Enjoy the great ride
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05-31-18, 10:16 AM
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FWIW We have used these saddle on out tandems for about 10 years and have worn out a number of them. Biggest complaint is noise especially on my captains saddles ( must be my weight), however not all of them do it. A few years ago they did a kickstarter campaign to develop a carbon version. They took way longer to produce them then expected. I had funded two of them and they finally came but sat on the bench for over a year as they just looked uncomfortable. I recently installed one for me(captain) and I am impressed with the comfort and it is light and dead silent. I don't have a huge number of miles on it yet but no break in, just felt good from the get go. Time will tell but I think it is a winner.
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05-31-18, 12:10 PM
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05-31-18, 12:19 PM
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If that's the case that the bike was deliver to you with that long steer tube, what they have done is giving you the opportunity to set the stem height which works for you. You can play around with moving the shims to different stem heights to see what is optimal for you. Local bike shop can cut the stem easily.
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06-02-18, 04:28 PM
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Beautiful! To save additional weight if you are a weight weenie:
-rim brakes (not an option with your frame it seems)
-fixed stoker stem (da Vinci Ti, don’t recall exact weight)
-lightweight captain stem (80g Extralights)
-lighter handlebars? (200g Zipp SL)
-lighter seatpost a (180g each, KCNC)
-lighter saddles (mine’s 90g padded)
our old alloy Trek tandem is just over 30lbs with lightweight components.
-rim brakes (not an option with your frame it seems)
-fixed stoker stem (da Vinci Ti, don’t recall exact weight)
-lightweight captain stem (80g Extralights)
-lighter handlebars? (200g Zipp SL)
-lighter seatpost a (180g each, KCNC)
-lighter saddles (mine’s 90g padded)
our old alloy Trek tandem is just over 30lbs with lightweight components.
06-02-18, 05:54 PM
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And don't worry so much about the "rotating weight of the large rotors." Rotating mass that's close to the center of the wheel isn't a significant concern.
YMMV
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06-02-18, 06:50 PM
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I have no idea how much heavier disc brakes are, but I wouldn't (and didn't, when buying our tandem) care. Disc brakes are far better, and when you're talking about stopping something with two full-sized human beings on it, when lives may depend on the brakes working, I wanted disc brakes. If I was worried about a pound or two on a system that weighs upwards of 360 pounds, I'd eat less chocolate.
And don't worry so much about the "rotating weight of the large rotors." Rotating mass that's close to the center of the wheel isn't a significant concern.
YMMV
And don't worry so much about the "rotating weight of the large rotors." Rotating mass that's close to the center of the wheel isn't a significant concern.
YMMV
06-02-18, 06:57 PM
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plus disc rotor rotating weight is also minimal due to its center of mass being at the center of the rotation.
06-03-18, 12:17 AM
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Well, I'm a a bit surprised on the weight after putting it on the scale. I was originally hoping for closer to 29 or 30 lbs. But, we saved $900 by going with the DaVinci cranks over the FSA Carbon cranks which may have saved us 1/3 to 1/2 lbs. And, my saddle is a little over 1lbs as well. Compared to the Cannondale it replaced, I'm saving about 6lbs total. But, other than the weight, everything else is very nice! This weight includes pedals, computer mount, bell, and captain bar-end mirror. But, no seat pack, computer, or water bottles.
06-03-18, 12:43 AM
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I have no idea how much heavier disc brakes are, but I wouldn't (and didn't, when buying our tandem) care. Disc brakes are far better, and when you're talking about stopping something with two full-sized human beings on it, when lives may depend on the brakes working, I wanted disc brakes. If I was worried about a pound or two on a system that weighs upwards of 360 pounds, I'd eat less chocolate.
And don't worry so much about the "rotating weight of the large rotors." Rotating mass that's close to the center of the wheel isn't a significant concern.
YMMV
And don't worry so much about the "rotating weight of the large rotors." Rotating mass that's close to the center of the wheel isn't a significant concern.
YMMV
07-01-18, 04:32 PM
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07-01-18, 04:57 PM
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07-24-18, 08:14 AM
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FWIW We have used these saddle on out tandems for about 10 years and have worn out a number of them. Biggest complaint is noise especially on my captains saddles ( must be my weight), however not all of them do it. A few years ago they did a kickstarter campaign to develop a carbon version. They took way longer to produce them then expected. I had funded two of them and they finally came but sat on the bench for over a year as they just looked uncomfortable. I recently installed one for me(captain) and I am impressed with the comfort and it is light and dead silent. I don't have a huge number of miles on it yet but no break in, just felt good from the get go. Time will tell but I think it is a winner.
If anyone wants it, it probably needs a new home (and to be ridden).
