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Old 10-20-23, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kontact
I don't understand refusing to install a kickstand on someone's bike. That's just stupid - it is the most basic service and you are wasting a consumer's time luring them to your "full service shop" and then refusing to do something because you think they bought the wrong bike. That is 1 star service.
Did you even watch the video? He didn’t refuse to install a kickstand, he didn’t install training wheels.
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Originally Posted by choddo
Perfectly organised tool wall
Really? You think so? Thing’s a mess, if you ask me.
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Old 10-20-23, 05:24 AM
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Really? You think so? Thing’s a mess, if you ask me.
Let me rephrase that - "better than my random collection of drawers, boxes and constant memory tests" tool wall.
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Originally Posted by choddo
Let me rephrase that - "better than my random collection of drawers, boxes and constant memory tests" tool wall.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Did you even watch the video? He didn’t refuse to install a kickstand, he didn’t install training wheels.
Did you even watch the video?

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Old 10-20-23, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
Speaking of, I miss cxwrench. I understand that he got into it with some others here, but I appreciate his technical knowledge.
That happens with a lot of actually knowledgeable people, especially in the Bicycle Mechanics forum. There are a handful of characters who consistently post nonsense and misinformation and who reveal themselves to be "keyboard warriors" but don't actually work on bicycles, and who argue incessantly with those that do know what they're talking about. They're not actually experienced bicycle mechanics, they just play one on the internet. Maybe cxwrench just got tired of it. I observe other knowledgeable and experienced people who bail out of threads once they're taken over by these clowns.

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Hmm -
I avoid all this rancor, by only buying old bikes, and working on them myself....
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
This is so true. But as a fellow provider of specialized services, I have come to realize that many customers (and potential customers) are not so good at:

(1) Articulating the service that they are seeking or need, and too impatient to have an intelligent discussion with the service provider to get there; and/or
(2) Valuing service and/or comparing service provided by different service providers, and therefore undervalue the service regardless of the provider.

And it is not just about pay. Many doctors complain that their colleagues get chosen for their bedside manners rather than technical skills. And I am sure we all know cyclists with $5K bikes who would balk at a $100 service because "it did not take so long." So, most bike mechanics have my empathy. Luckily, the ones at my LBS are good, and it is a Trek store!
Specialized services are a challenge for the new customer who knows little. It can be intimidating to break into cycling, white-water paddling, back packing, learning to play a musical instrument. What is needed is someone who understands the value of "hand holding" and also has developed the skills to hold a hand. You never know that a customer's initial purchase may result in many thousands of dollars spent at the business later. So, a free installation on a Wal-Mart bike may result in a lifetime of loyal support.

I have encountered both business who are not the least bit engaging and those who helped me get started. Those who nurtured the relationship got my business and I mean a lot of business. We still have the four 1980's Specialized Rock Hoppers from the same dealer.

A mechanic or doctor may think their value is what they know. The true value is being able to listen, address the concerns, asking the right questions, and fulling the need of the end user.
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Originally Posted by choddo
Did you even watch the video?

Even the review you posted says he refused to install "training wheels." You forgot to circle that part.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
Speaking of, I miss cxwrench. I understand that he got into it with some others here, but I appreciate his technical knowledge.
He wasn't just an a-hole. He was a dick above and beyond the call...
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in fact, I think THIS just about sums it up
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You think bike mechanics are a-holes? Try talking to an auto tech!
People would come into the shop all the time, asking me what was wrong with their car so that they could fix it at home themselves. I would just point to the coffee can on my bench that was painted red, with the sign above it that said "Free Advice - $20 and up"
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Did you even watch the video? He didn’t refuse to install a kickstand, he didn’t install training wheels.
"I refused to install a kickstand on a brand new Walmart bike."

Did you?
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Old 10-20-23, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
That happens with a lot of actually knowledgeable people, especially in the Bicycle Mechanics forum. There are a handful of characters who consistently post nonsense and misinformation and who reveal themselves to be "keyboard warriors" but don't actually work on bicycles, and who argue incessantly with those that do know what they're talking about. They're not actually experienced bicycle mechanics, they just play one on the internet. Maybe cxwrench just got tired of it. I observe other knowledgeable and experienced people who bail out of threads once they're taken over by these clowns.
CXwrench and I do get tired of people like you that have no actual experience and think you do. We've been posting on the same boards for years and never really disagreed about anything, while both taking a ton of flack for knowing how things actually work.

Which clown college did you attend?
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Originally Posted by smd4
Even the review you posted says he refused to install "training wheels." You forgot to circle that part.
This is illustrative:

The knowledgeable mechanic says "it was a kickstand."
The angry customer says "it was training wheels."

And who do you decide was right?
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Originally Posted by Kontact
This is illustrative:

The knowledgeable mechanic says "it was a kickstand."
The angry customer says "it was training wheels."

And who do you decide was right?
Don't you have a stuck crank dust cover to misdiagnose? Another reason I'd never let you touch my bike.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Even the review you posted says he refused to install "training wheels." You forgot to circle that part.
Well now, that’s just pedantry of the highest order
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Don't you have a stuck crank dust cover to misdiagnose? Another reason I'd never let you touch my bike.
I didn't misdiagnose it. My suggestion to use Imperial or torx wrenches to get a purchase on the rounded 5mm allen bolt hole was a good one. I got the model of crank wrong, which had nothing to do with the problem of the cap being stuck, since I wasn't suggesting there was a thread mismatch problem.


Yesterday I stopped in a local shop to poke around. After talking about old derailleurs, the young mechanic showed me his old used-parts bike, and complained that he was having a tire clearance problem with his modern dual pivot brakes on the old Faggin fork. I glanced at the brake, noticed that caliper was tilted to one side, then noticed that this was because the front wheel wasn't straight in the fork. I pointed this out to him because it would solve his clearance problem.

You claim to be a shop mechanic. Was that your Faggin? You seem to have a similar level of expertise.
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Originally Posted by Kontact
You claim to be a shop mechanic. Was that your Faggin? You seem to have a similar level of expertise.
I said I used to be a shop mechanic. Keep up.

Being able to diagnose a misaligned wheel...I would expect nothing less from the smartest man in the world!
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Originally Posted by smd4
I said I used to be a shop mechanic. Keep up.
I'm not going to monitor who fired you for incompetence.

Read any good articles about tire pressure lately? Oh yeah, reading technical documents is bad - I forgot.

Being able to diagnose a misaligned wheel...I would expect nothing less from the smartest man in the world!
Actually, the point of the story was that the mechanic missed putting the wheel in correctly on his own bike, not that I saved the day.

But missing the point is kind of your thing, Mr. Kickstand.
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I'm not going to monitor who fired you for incompetence.
Yeah, had to leave the biz to actually make a living and have a family. Can you please put me back on ignore?
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Originally Posted by smd4
Yeah, had to leave the biz to actually make a living and have a family.
Me too, but I still remember how to correctly work on bikes.
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I still remember how to correctly work on bikes.
How could I forget? We hear it every day.

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Originally Posted by Kontact
CXwrench and I do get tired of people like you that have no actual experience and think you do. We've been posting on the same boards for years and never really disagreed about anything, while both taking a ton of flack for knowing how things actually work.

Which clown college did you attend?

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Okay, everybody, let's take a deep breath and relax. Tuck them away, out of view, and zip up.
Either that, or could the mods please lock this down before it gets too out of hand?
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