Milton Keynes

Not only that, but when you sign up for an account on that site, the site keeps sending you semi-spam email about which popular thread to read, etc. I've clicked the unsubscribe link to no avail and keep getting that crap. Had to finally set up a spam filter to send it to junk mail. Now I wish I'd never set up a r****t account.

BobbyG

@RMoudatir
Back in my day people didn't have the annonymity of the internet to hide behind when they insulted you...they had to do it to your face, in public.

I grew up in Chicago in the 1960's and 70's and I can't tell you the number of times strangers on the streets would hurl insults at me and my friend as we rode. Insults from cars, pedestrians and other bikes...sometimes people sitting on their porches.

Internet trolls don't know you, don't care about you and you shouldn't give them a second thought.

They're just like the smelly woman on the bus who insults your choice of shoes, or the impatient man on the train platform who barks at you to enter the train even though people are still coming out.

Learn to discern whose opinions count and ignore the rest.

(I'd also like to give a "shout-out" to the BF moderators and members who do a nice job of keeping things here civil.)

CAT7RDR

Two mindsets to consider.

First, it is my opinion that as a whole people are generally more reactive and less civil than a generation ago. Take all forum responses with a grain of salt and understand there are cyber bullies out there looking to pounce.

Second, learn to understand and develop that you have a choice (internal locus of control) on how you want to react to incivility. The world is not fair. A lot of interweb tough guys would cower if confronted face-to-face. Ultimately, the decision Not to ride is on you.

wphamilton

I'll just point out that 20 miles in 1.3 hours is a bit better than average for cyclists. Actual speeds, not internet speeds. If you don't believe me, go onto Google Maps, trace out a random route and check the predicted time that the trip takes. Google simply uses analytics of actual bike rides to predict the likely speed.

Additionally it's all relative, not only to individual capabilities but also relative to where that person is with respect to his conditioning. These comparisons don't really matter.

shrtdstncrdr

15 miles per for over an hour. Yeah, I'd feel pretty good about myself if I were able to ride that pace. Alas...

Flip Flop Rider

always have a "F Off" chambered and ready to dispense to haters

Falkon 

I feel like this forum is much, much more civil, and I've been a regular in the P&R forum. I actually came back here after being off the board for years, because the community here is both smaller and generally more helpful. We've had some of the most helpful members of the cycling community, past and present, right here on this forum as regulars.

Part of it is likely how you came off in tone, regardless of intent. That site is huge with a much larger member base. Simply by shear numbers, you're going to have more jerks. I've absolutely found some of the worst behavior and attitudes on that site that would simply not fly here. I don't bother starting topics there, and I don't typically comment on anything cycling related unless I have some useful advice. Don't even bother trying to post a picture of something unless you're ready for a bunch of people to shout "Clean your room/bike/house/wall/hands/dog!" at you. I'd rather frequent this forum, because that one tends to drive me up the wall.

Elvo

https://www.******.com/r/cycling/com...s_sore_will_i/

Moe Zhoost

Nothing like getting back on your bike and going for a ride. In minutes you will shed all of that negativity.

When I first joined BF a decade or so ago I posted a request for advice about 24" tubular tires. Perhaps it was the way I worded my post, but I was surprised by how many responses disparaged my question, my intelligence, and my newness to the forum. I've learned to both know what kind of requests are likely to trigger the haters, but also to ignore them when they raise their heads.

Like I said - go ride and leave it behind.

rosefarts

I've got 20 mile rides around here that can take 2.5 hours. Straight up the entire time.

Your experience is the reason I've got Strava on private. I can track my progress and roughly compare my times to others in the area without becoming part of the circle jerk.

It's also why I don't mention speeds or times here.

RMoudatir

I live in LA and it's reasonably flat here, I had like only 150 ft of elevation gain in 21.5 miles which is really flat so it's less impressive.

FiftySix

Yeah, the internet and forums can be full of bastiges and crap. It's hard to punch an internet bastige in the mouth when they deserve it, so browbeating is all that's left. And if you can't return the browbeating you receive, it's best to walk away from the keyboard and get back into real life. Real life happens to be so much better than most situations on the 'net anyway.

CliffordK

You'll find a wide range of people in the world. Keep in mind that the people on the forums are not paid, although moderation my impact the overall nature of the forum.

Most of the people here are supportive, but you'll often get advice that goes beyond your original expectations. And, if you don't want to hear the advice, then just ignore it and move on.

I'm not sure why links to the Rxxx website have been banned here, as well as elsewhere. I presume at one time they had fairly malicious spamming. But, perhaps you've found a reason to seek a forum that meets your expectations.

burnthesheep

1. When cycling (or other hobby) are a "subforum" of another forum, all bets are off. It could be a total troll fest. Stick to where the main point of the forum is the hobby itself.

2. You'll need a little more data around what your complaint is about the soreness. Is it due to lack for training for the duration you're trying to do? Is it due to lack of recovery or over training? Is it due to fit?

What specificially hurts? (As in, what muscles, point to it or identify it on a chart and name it).
When does it hurt? During hard efforts? At low cadence? At the end of a longer ride or workout? Immediately after the workout? That night when trying to sleep? Day or so later?

You state you get soreness, but then state one sentence later you didn't have soreness after 20 miles all out.

I'd file 90% of non-racer non-enduro junkie aches and pains down to not being trained for the distance or duration you're trying to do. Taper up to the desired duration or distance. Maybe find a "fondo" plan for a distance similar to what you have trouble with, and follow it.

The rest is a mix of age, bad bike fit, not recovering properly, or not supplementing riding with some light core/leg/arm exercises by doing some yoga or pushups and such. Or maybe run once in a while.

Start there, and don't go to R for a good place for bike stuff. I wouldn't go ask for automotive advice on a bicycling forum either.

livedarklions

Out of curiosity, do you have a cite for google using analytics on bike times? I ask because every time I do the math, it seems to be predicting 11 mph whether it's hilly single track or smooth road with a downhill slope.

caloso

To your original question: I don't think muscle soreness is a good indicator of whether or not you had a good workout. It is a good indicator that you haven't used those particular muscles strenuously very recently.

Also, if you're truly going "full gas," then 80 minutes all out is a brutal workout whether you're a noob or a UCI pro. If you do it every ride, that's a recipe for plateauing and then burning out.

wphamilton

I get different times for bike trips depending on the time of day, and it varies with the number of stop lights, elevation changes, and apparently other factors. The route times differ from one direction and the other direction.

Google has also occasionally notified me that my commute would take longer than usual - giving me a number, 35 minutes for example - clearly already knowing that I'll be taking my bike, what route I'll take and how long it takes me. Google location history can tell me whether I biked, drove or walked on specific trips so it's obvious, to me, that they analyze my movements and patterns.

Google doesn't publish their specific algorithms that I know of, but they most definitely calculate trip times dynamically. The bike trip predictions appear to me to work just like the driving trip predictions, Google has all the data they need for it*, and I've seen no indications that they don't. I'd say I'm 90%-95% certain of it.

*there might be more biking data in my area, and not enough for more than some kind of default calculation on the routes you checked.

Homebrew01

MOD NOTE: To the couple of you intent on bickering. Take it to PM.
Or move to that other forum where nobody cares what's posted.

livedarklions

Come to think of it, I'm actually getting different estimates when I'm closer into Boston but I've only noticed it happening in the last few weeks, and very sporadically. I suspect they're expanding the data mapping and the new estimations aren't yet available in the more rural parts of NH and MA that I do a lot of my riding in.

I use it for my gps directions when I'm riding, so I can see the estimated time go down as I ride. It definitely defaults to 11 mph, but now I think it must be transitioning to the system you're talking about in this region.

Thanks!

tkamd73 

You actually care about what someone or something, in the virtual world, who you have never met, will never meet, or know personally, thinks about you and your personal problems, or issues? How sad, this is what wrong with today’s society, too much importance given to social media. You got a few good answers, go with that, and ignore the rest. In one way social media, is like the real world though, your not going to get along with everybody
Tim

CliffordK

Oh, we care.

Better be carrying a heavy shield if you're standing on the wrong side of the line.

indyfabz

At first I thought he meant the BF regional forum for Africa.

eja_ bottecchia

But seriously, go ride and forget what others, with negative comments, have to say or write. If I listened to all the negativity out there I would never get out of my house to ride my bike.

Ride on and have fun.

wphamilton

Yeh I didn't really think about it until I wrote "Google has all the data they need" and realized that it's not necessarily true everywhere. Every ride I've made (save one) started at my door and there are a lot of bikes ridden in my area.

Anyway 11 mph overall seems about right, maybe 12, and even if Google's predictions were more basic and less dynamic than I'm thinking they'd surely base it on the most common or average speeds anyway. So OP's anecdote isn't really "grandma slow". It's faster than most.

livedarklions

I get pain when I ramp up duration or if some factor like a headwind has upped the intensity for a prolonged period of time. I think it's also a good indicator of going beyond your baseline (which might be very strenuous) OR not having worked them strenuously recently.