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Also, to a rank beginner, being on a specialized program has no more benefit than running circles around his house with a backpack full of Cheetos five days a week. I truly believe this (in spirit). This is why new participants in any sport measure crazy gains in the first few months.
If strength is the base of a Sprinting as an exercise, skills are definitely the base of Sprinting as a sport. Without the skills, all the strength that can be gained won't make a bit of difference. At the beginner level, riding the bike leads to exponentially larger gains, both short term and long, than gym work. Gym is all strength; bike is strength, skill, fitness, and CNS.
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Training plans are very specific to the rider. Newbies will ALWAYS write, "What should I do to train??" and there is no easy answer. It's hard enough for a coach that is with an athlete several times/week to do it. Doing so over the internet based on a few sentences will probably do more harm than good. So, it's a good rule of thumb to avoid it.
Did you ever consider that the shooting the **** that we tell this guy to do he may take to heart and do it religiously for the next 6 months?
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Example:
Let's take 2 riders that are twin brothers. Rider A, Rider B. Both want to be sprinters. Both have the exact same genetics but have been participating in different sports over the past few years. But, are newbie track cyclists.
Rider A:
- Lean runner/swimmer's physique.
- Been doing 5Ks and Triathlons. OK results, but not stellar.
- Eats like a runner / tri-geek
Rider B:
- Muscular physique. Big legs, big chest and arms.
- Lifts 4x/week.
- Been playing Rugby and Soccer in serious recreational leagues.
- Eats (and drinks) like a rugby player.
If both of these guys approach the same coach with the plan of being track sprinters, that coach would put them on different winter training plans.
Chances are:
Rider A (lean guy) would be put on a winter plan like this:
- Lift 3x/week. Focus on lower body but need to build up upper body for balance and support.
- Ride 2x/week
- Eat lots to support the muscle growth.
- No more 4-5 hour rides
Rider B (muscular guy)
- Lift 2-3x/week focusing on lower body and not so much upper body. Upper body is for balance and maintenance.
- Ride 3x/week including a long 2-3hr group ride 1x/week
- Log diet and maybe set a caloric cap.
The thing is, we don't know what type of guy it is that posts the "What should I do??" posts.
Let's take 2 riders that are twin brothers. Rider A, Rider B. Both want to be sprinters. Both have the exact same genetics but have been participating in different sports over the past few years. But, are newbie track cyclists.
Rider A:
- Lean runner/swimmer's physique.
- Been doing 5Ks and Triathlons. OK results, but not stellar.
- Eats like a runner / tri-geek
Rider B:
- Muscular physique. Big legs, big chest and arms.
- Lifts 4x/week.
- Been playing Rugby and Soccer in serious recreational leagues.
- Eats (and drinks) like a rugby player.
If both of these guys approach the same coach with the plan of being track sprinters, that coach would put them on different winter training plans.
Chances are:
Rider A (lean guy) would be put on a winter plan like this:
- Lift 3x/week. Focus on lower body but need to build up upper body for balance and support.
- Ride 2x/week
- Eat lots to support the muscle growth.
- No more 4-5 hour rides
Rider B (muscular guy)
- Lift 2-3x/week focusing on lower body and not so much upper body. Upper body is for balance and maintenance.
- Ride 3x/week including a long 2-3hr group ride 1x/week
- Log diet and maybe set a caloric cap.
The thing is, we don't know what type of guy it is that posts the "What should I do??" posts.
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This showed up in the bike shop today... should I buy it?
You will notice the lack of handlebars. Custom one piece for the oversized steerer on its way from Italy.
Hard to tell in the pic but the fork is massive. Actually the whole bit is a bit of a brute.
You will notice the lack of handlebars. Custom one piece for the oversized steerer on its way from Italy.
Hard to tell in the pic but the fork is massive. Actually the whole bit is a bit of a brute.
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@carleton I do agree. Way too many variables to offer the best training plan based on the little information provided. So many factors including external stressors that may impact recovery to be able to say a specific plan is suitable.
There is enough literature online to work out your own plan for the first few years (OP hasn't even been accredited to race track and wants to specialise!!??) then if keen either research further or get a track coach.
There is enough literature online to work out your own plan for the first few years (OP hasn't even been accredited to race track and wants to specialise!!??) then if keen either research further or get a track coach.
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More info on the new Pinarello bike here:
MAAT 60.1 ? CICLI PINARELLO S.p.A.
MAAT 60.1 ? CICLI PINARELLO S.p.A.
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I've been curious about this bike since it was announced a couple of years ago. I can't recall ever seeing it being raced...by anyone.
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Re: the two bike days, three gym days conversation: Depends on how good a bike rider you are and what you're trying to work on. If the OP is already a crit rider, for example, and wants to try track sprinting, then this is fine in my opinion. If he's just starting out in bike racing, then he should just ride the hell out of a bike until he's good at it. There's some basic questions that need to be asked before we can decide if it's a good training plan.
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And for the record I was kidding about buying it, that setup in that picture is worth more than my car lol.
*EDIT to your point Carl, I think they intended to put the UK/Sky team on these bikes for Rio, but then they went to Cervelo. Speculating anyway. I think the Italian team is riding these now but I don't recall much of a track team from that country.
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I reckon it's like wanting to be a horror novelist.
Dude 1: "Why limit yourself to one tiny genre?!"
Aspiring Novelist: "Because horror novels are awesome, and that's what I want to write."
Trackliche: "Oh, right on."
Carleton: "None of us are getting paid for this anyway!"
All of Us, Collectively: ::sobbing:: ::tears:: ::spend money on thinner tubulars::
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Not even close to fitting lol. If I did I'd probably try it, but it also has a 1 1/4" steerer so you can't just run your normal stem. Pin offers a 100mm and a 130mm, no idea on angles but basically forget having many options to get a fit
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Racing track definitely - specializing for Track sprinting already though before having raced track yet? Need to remember why we mostly got into the sport in the first place- riding a bicycle. Otherwise just focus on the gym and powerlifting comps and don't waste time on the bike...
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$6,000USD for an unproven frame and bars is absurd. The only way LOOK gets to charge $10,000 for their L96 (also absurd) is because they have the medals and jerseys to back it up. This bike has nothing...but a fancy website.
Even when the British made their Superbikes from scratch, they were all adjustable and used standard bars and stems and only used the integrated stem-bar combos for events like Worlds or Olympics after the fits were dialed-in.
It's just silly to make integrated stem-handlebar combos for a mass-market bike. What you lose in terms of adjustability (and the power lost from not having the right fight) is much more than the increased Stiffness (TM)(Copyright) that it provides (if any at all).
A set of B-123s and a 2-bolt stem was stiff enough for the British. And Scattos and Thomson X4 stems were stiff enough for the Australians and Kiwis. Not sure what problem Pina was solving with that setup...yet they made a huge one for their customers.
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Personally, I hate lifting weights and love riding the bike. So, my advice to the OP is to ride the bike for a couple of years and after you have learned the sport and gained as much physical ability from biking alone, then hit the gym.
From a more balanced perspective, I would say enjoy whatever you enjoy doing. So, if you like the gym, hit the gym. Likewise, if you like the bike, hit the bike. If you really feel you need to become a world class cyclist in your first season, hire a coach and don't listen to us guys in the infield. What do we know?
From a more balanced perspective, I would say enjoy whatever you enjoy doing. So, if you like the gym, hit the gym. Likewise, if you like the bike, hit the bike. If you really feel you need to become a world class cyclist in your first season, hire a coach and don't listen to us guys in the infield. What do we know?
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I think this explains why no one is racing it.
$6,000USD for an unproven frame and bars is absurd. The only way LOOK gets to charge $10,000 for their L96 (also absurd) is because they have the medals and jerseys to back it up. This bike has nothing...but a fancy website.
Even when the British made their Superbikes from scratch, they were all adjustable and used standard bars and stems and only used the integrated stem-bar combos for events like Worlds or Olympics after the fits were dialed-in.
It's just silly to make integrated stem-handlebar combos for a mass-market bike. What you lose in terms of adjustability (and the power lost from not having the right fight) is much more than the increased Stiffness (TM)(Copyright) that it provides (if any at all).
A set of B-123s and a 2-bolt stem was stiff enough for the British. And Scattos and Thomson X4 stems were stiff enough for the Australians and Kiwis. Not sure what problem Pina was solving with that setup...yet they made a huge one for their customers.
$6,000USD for an unproven frame and bars is absurd. The only way LOOK gets to charge $10,000 for their L96 (also absurd) is because they have the medals and jerseys to back it up. This bike has nothing...but a fancy website.
Even when the British made their Superbikes from scratch, they were all adjustable and used standard bars and stems and only used the integrated stem-bar combos for events like Worlds or Olympics after the fits were dialed-in.
It's just silly to make integrated stem-handlebar combos for a mass-market bike. What you lose in terms of adjustability (and the power lost from not having the right fight) is much more than the increased Stiffness (TM)(Copyright) that it provides (if any at all).
A set of B-123s and a 2-bolt stem was stiff enough for the British. And Scattos and Thomson X4 stems were stiff enough for the Australians and Kiwis. Not sure what problem Pina was solving with that setup...yet they made a huge one for their customers.
What we most adore about Italian design is also what we most deride them for. It's a matter of accepting that the romantic ridiculous is worth giving up any sense of practicality. May this crazy bike adorn the garage of someone who loves Ferraris and Ducatis as much as the rest of us, but is set apart by the ability and willingness to maintain those things.
What's the old joke? "In Heaven, all the engineers are German, the police are French, and the lovers are Italian, and the banks are Swiss. In Hell, the banks are French, the police are German, the lovers are Swiss, and the engineers are Italian."
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I'm pretty sure those MAATs were under a few riders from Team Wiggins at the most recent Revolution series:
It looks pretty similar, so I don't think it's some kind of prototype. Peep those ruffles on the stays and fork; it looks like it just got a white paint-job. Also note that it seems like you aren't stuck with that integrated bar set-up. Looks like a generic alloy road bar mated to a trick carbon Zipp or 3T stem or something.
It looks pretty similar, so I don't think it's some kind of prototype. Peep those ruffles on the stays and fork; it looks like it just got a white paint-job. Also note that it seems like you aren't stuck with that integrated bar set-up. Looks like a generic alloy road bar mated to a trick carbon Zipp or 3T stem or something.
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