The Hour Record
02-27-16, 09:40 PM
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I think this has been asked before, But: Aren't all these road conversions UCI illegal?? Isn't there wording to the effect of "no modifications of equipment are allowed"?
02-27-16, 10:02 PM
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I'm no UCI rules expert, but article 1.3.002 states that "[a] license holder is not athorised to modify, in any way, the equipment given by the manufacturer used in competition." If this is the applicable rule, then modification by the manufacturer is outside of the prohibition.
02-27-16, 10:10 PM
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I'm no UCI rules expert, but article 1.3.002 states that "[a] license holder is not athorised to modify, in any way, the equipment given by the manufacturer used in competition." If this is the applicable rule, then modification by the manufacturer is outside of the prohibition.
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02-27-16, 10:44 PM
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My level of ignorance is the same or greater. UCI ultimately decides, was there, and signed off, right? The second requirement I think stems from article 1.3.007, which states in part that "[b]icycles and their accessories shall be of a type that is sold for use by anyone practising cycling as a sport." The Shiv is clearly ok there.
02-28-16, 01:16 AM
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Do you know if any rider have break or tried break the eddy merckx hour record in the same track the eddy merckx had break the hour record. Eddy merckx used 52/14 make me i think i try on my bike with the 53/39 crank i have if i can found 9 speeds cassette start from 14 cog or 13 maybe. I dont think the 12 cog is go be useful for me.
02-28-16, 01:24 AM
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The system, first proposed last year [2010], is designed to ensure all bikes used in professional races adhere to the governing body’s technical regulations. The stickers will have to be displayed on bikes used in road, track and cycle cross races.
The stickers will be provided for frames (and forks) only when they have gone through the UCI’s new Approval Protocol that came in to action from January 1 this year [2011]. It will not be applied to frames that are already on sale or in production.
Frames made in moulds will have to go through the full Approval Protocol with initial drawings submitted for approval by the UCI before a prototype is again submitted. More traditional ‘tubular’ frames made by welding or glueing tubes together will go through a shorter protocol whereby they are approved by the UCI via the technical drawings alone.
The full Approval Protocol could add several months to a manufacturers production schedule, and threatens to limit the amount of new products seen at bike races through the season.
A manufacturer will have to get each of its models approved (the approval is limited to eight frame sizes) before they can be raced on, and a frame that undergoes design changes will have to go through the procedure each time.
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Not only that but the manufacturers will have to pay for the privilege. The UCI claim the costs involved merely cover the expense of the procedure. The full Approval Protocol will cost £7,800 + VAT while the simplified procedure (for tubular frames) will cost just £500 + VAT.
The stickers will be provided for frames (and forks) only when they have gone through the UCI’s new Approval Protocol that came in to action from January 1 this year [2011]. It will not be applied to frames that are already on sale or in production.
Frames made in moulds will have to go through the full Approval Protocol with initial drawings submitted for approval by the UCI before a prototype is again submitted. More traditional ‘tubular’ frames made by welding or glueing tubes together will go through a shorter protocol whereby they are approved by the UCI via the technical drawings alone.
The full Approval Protocol could add several months to a manufacturers production schedule, and threatens to limit the amount of new products seen at bike races through the season.
A manufacturer will have to get each of its models approved (the approval is limited to eight frame sizes) before they can be raced on, and a frame that undergoes design changes will have to go through the procedure each time.
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Not only that but the manufacturers will have to pay for the privilege. The UCI claim the costs involved merely cover the expense of the procedure. The full Approval Protocol will cost £7,800 + VAT while the simplified procedure (for tubular frames) will cost just £500 + VAT.
UCI Approved List (updated 4 FEB 2016.): https://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/R...ks_English.pdf
Guess what bike is NOT on there? The Specialized Shiv
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02-28-16, 01:42 AM
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UCI Approved List (updated 4 FEB 2016.): https://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/R...ks_English.pdf
Guess what bike is NOT on there? The Specialized Shiv
Guess what bike is NOT on there? The Specialized Shiv
From the UCI link
Models on the market, at the production stage or already manufactured on 1 January 2011 are not required to be approved during the transition stage. However, the non - approved models have to comply in any case with the UCI technical regulations (Articles 1.3.001 to 1.3.025) and are subjects to the commissaires decision during events
02-28-16, 02:32 AM
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OK, how about Brad Wiggins' one-off 3d printed ti bars? I don't think those are available for general consumption.
02-28-16, 04:04 AM
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Totally agree at the absurdity of the UCI rules and enforcement of them...
Try buying the pre Cervelo UK bike or a German FES! Heard a great most probably urban legend about the FES having an unadvertised shop front that opens only once a year. And even if you found it and was there that day then you would get a ridiculous lead in time and price!
Would love a FES
Try buying the pre Cervelo UK bike or a German FES! Heard a great most probably urban legend about the FES having an unadvertised shop front that opens only once a year. And even if you found it and was there that day then you would get a ridiculous lead in time and price!
Would love a FES
02-28-16, 10:00 AM
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These hour record bikes just seem to be flouting the rules blatantly. They all seem to be road TT bikes with either track width rear triangle (major modification) or wheels modified to run track cog with road width axle (less major). That's just to get the thing using a fixed gear. Even chopping off the derailleur hangar would seem to be a rule violation in that it's a modification. Why can't they just use a pursuit bike as Bobridge and maybe one other high-profile rider have done? I understand the brand marketing angle, but then why have the rules? I feel like if someone with clout stood up and protested this all these records would be legitimately in danger of being thrown out.
02-28-16, 12:23 PM
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These hour record bikes just seem to be flouting the rules blatantly. They all seem to be road TT bikes with either track width rear triangle (major modification) or wheels modified to run track cog with road width axle (less major). That's just to get the thing using a fixed gear. Even chopping off the derailleur hangar would seem to be a rule violation in that it's a modification. Why can't they just use a pursuit bike as Bobridge and maybe one other high-profile rider have done? I understand the brand marketing angle, but then why have the rules? I feel like if someone with clout stood up and protested this all these records would be legitimately in danger of being thrown out.
So as long as the bike/components manufacturer does the mods and provides the equipment it appears to be legit.
02-28-16, 03:05 PM
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The frustrating part about rules is that regular folks spend a lot of time and energy adhering to them. It sucks to see that someone else may not have to play by the same rules.
So the Shiv is not on the approved bike list. So, the commissars simply have to do measurements on-site. So, does that mean that no bike manufacturer have to send their designs in for approval?
02-28-16, 04:25 PM
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New designs post 2011 must be on the approved list. Models unchanged since before 2011 just need to meet the rules.
02-28-16, 11:58 PM
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I mean, you're not even allowed to file the lawyer tabs off, right? And the bit about the license holder not doing it, but the manufacturer can? As Carleton said, you just made unobtainium, which I believe is against both the spirit and letter of the rules. Me no understand.
02-29-16, 04:56 AM
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The rules at the elite level have always been loosely enforced. A number of years the Australian Pursuit team used Giro Advantage helmets with taped on visors. Rules clearly state no mods on helmets either including visors if the helmet never originally had one... Wouldn't get away with that at non elite event!
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Hour record in Texas
Hi I'm still wondering if anyone on this old thread knows who rode the Hour record of 46.748 km mentioned above by User defspace, under a broken link entitled "Texans on the Track"
It appears it was set in late 2015, and possibly on the now dismantled Frisco Superdrome. I say this because there's no record I could find on the remaining Alkek velodrome in Texas, I'm an Hour stats guy, who has compiled quite and extensive list of Hour marks set worldwide (all viewable on GoogleSheets). I'd really like this one for my collection.
It appears it was set in late 2015, and possibly on the now dismantled Frisco Superdrome. I say this because there's no record I could find on the remaining Alkek velodrome in Texas, I'm an Hour stats guy, who has compiled quite and extensive list of Hour marks set worldwide (all viewable on GoogleSheets). I'd really like this one for my collection.
01-20-24, 07:11 AM
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Internet archive has a snapshot of the link - text seems to be before the record was set but goes into some details that may be helpful https://web.archive.org/web/20160302...-on-the-track/
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