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Old 04-11-20, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Python. You can develop in Python on any system, but Peele don't seem to want to.
As a scientist, Python is probably the most useful programming/scripting language to know. There are a huge number of science-specific extensions, and the python syntax doesn't suck, so normal people can read it and code it.

That, and FORTRAN.
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Old 04-11-20, 09:33 PM
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Linux has been around for almost as long as MS. But it is a pitiful 2% of market share, compared with 70% for MS.

I wouldn’t learn Linux just to spite MS. Linux is a very niche product.

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Linux is barely old enough to be claimed on a PDP-8's tax returns (just a bit over 25). It only seems old.
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Linux is just a flavor of unix with an open-source license. Unix has been around for a bit.
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The first viruses were written for UNIX machines though. Like, let's dang doodle that Wang.
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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
The hot, in-demand skill now is COBOL programming.

Truth is stranger than fiction:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-chaos.html

(Well, if you can believe the Daily Mail.)

Obsolete 1950s computer code is causing unemployment chaos amid huge lines: Appeal for retired programmers who know obscure COBOL language to fix outdated computer system in states across US

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Old 04-12-20, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Definitely not this year or next.
Not in the next decade (at least). For MS dropping Windows.

It doesn't seem unlikely that Linux will become much more popular on the desktop (used directly). But it will take a while for it to get to even half of them.
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Old 04-12-20, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Linux has been around for almost as long as MS. But it is a pitiful 2% of market share, compared with 70% for MS.

I wouldn’t learn Linux just to spite MS. Linux is a very niche product.
Linux isn't popular for personal computers but it's heavily used on bigger machines. So, the market share underestimates Linux's impact.

(It's used in smartphones to run Android but including those numbers on this discussion doesn't make sense.)
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Old 04-12-20, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Linux is barely old enough to be claimed on a PDP-8's tax returns (just a bit over 25). It only seems old.
​​​​​​No one is using PDP-8's now. Cars have been around for a much, much sorter relative time than carriages but no one really uses carriages now.

To be fair, you'd have to consider Linux as an extension of Unix (which was first written for the PDP-7).

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
​​​​​​No one is using PDP-8's now. Cars have been around for a much, much sorter relative time than carriages but no one really uses carriages now.

To be fair, you'd have to consider Linux as an extension of Unix (which was first written for the PDP-7).
Yep, but the fact remains that the first viruses were written to test the security of UNIX machines, before EVIL took over.
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Well I've been putting it off because I've been busy and the unknown factor as regards freeware MPG video editors (I still like low data rate video CD MPGs for all kinds of practical reasons) . . . or lack of available bootleg video software . . . or don't know if I could run my Adobe Premiere 6 with an MPG plugin on my spare 32 bit machine with Mint yet..

But I'm betting there's a way to do it somehow on Mint by now 64 or 32 bit and I can fall back on one of them with Windows if'n I gotta. So I'll probably find the time this next fall since I'm retired. Been seriously wanting to for awhile but working on the property like a slave to it..
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There are a number of video editors in Linux Mint. You probably want a reasonable performance computer for video editing. The thing would be to try various ones, and see what suits you.
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Yep, but the fact remains that the first viruses were written to test the security of UNIX machines, before EVIL took over.
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Old 04-13-20, 09:31 AM
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Took 1 course in COBOL back in the 70s, in the 90s 1 course in Python. Don't think that would get me in the door.

Thankfully I've still got a job I like. If the economy don't go to heck, retirement is only a few years away.
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
As a scientist, Python is probably the most useful programming/scripting language to know. There are a huge number of science-specific extensions, and the python syntax doesn't suck, so normal people can read it and code it.

That, and FORTRAN.
Last year I decided to educate myself on how machine-learning/neural-networks really work under the hood.
It was a great refresher on my college calculus and matrix math, and I learned that apparently Python is THE language of choice for the purpose.
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I’m proficient at Windows 97 .

That just reminded me of a bumper sticker I used to have:

Windows 97 = Macintosh '85
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I have been thinking about linux, but I am a gamer and there's no garuntee the games I play will be supported. So I plan to wait and see. Although I do have Ubuntu installer already prepped in case of "Oh noooo" from microsoft.
you don't have to wait, you can dual-boot now
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
As a scientist, Python is probably the most useful programming/scripting language to know. There are a huge number of science-specific extensions, and the python syntax doesn't suck, so normal people can read it and code it.
I (used to) think exactly the same about Perl, but I was in denial about how often I couldn't find what I wanted on CPAN, or the first 3 tries to install a module failed to compile or something.

What eventually succeeded in bringing me kicking and screaming into Python is OpenCV. I was using it for work in C++, and it was so awesome to be able to prototype exactly the same stuff in python. And pip libraries . just . work.

There are still a few things I wish were as easy in Python as in Perl, like

while (<>) { # read lines of input from input pipe, files on the command line, or STDIN

}

or

$stdout = `command`; # one line to execute an OS command and capture the STDOUT

If python does those things and I just haven't been able to figure it out, I'd appreciate being shown.


[QUOTEThat, and FORTRAN. [/QUOTE]
One of my favorite CS aphorisms: "A good enough programmer can write FORTRAN in any language"
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I just miss ?Syntax Error on the TRS-80.

Syntaxes are just bad for my wallet these daze.
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I like C#. C++ is a cluster...
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I like B flat myself. Makes it easier to switch from trumpet to other instruments.
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I like C#. C++ is a cluster...
That seems like a very microsoft thing to say. I love C++. What's so great about C#?
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Dual boot FTW

Windows for games, tax software and optimizing NTFS partitions.

Linux for everything else.

Started with Redhat 2 I think and kept with Fedora KDE since.
My son can mess up the Win partition and not inconvenience me, lol
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That seems like a very microsoft thing to say. I love C++. What's so great about C#?
I'd turn the question around personally. What's great about C++ is that it's "pedal to the metal" and if I needed my code to run as fast as possible it's what I'd choose. It's also made to be very low level, but in today's world that's rarely a compelling advantage.

C# is like C++ in a lot of ways, including syntax for the most part. It sits on top of a rich class library that's woven into the language and the operating system. You write code to accomplish what you need to get done, you don't write out the low level mechanics of how to do common things. That makes it so, so much easier to maintain code, especially if someone else wrote it. It's mature at this point. The syntax is cleaner (exception handling for example) and sugary. I can write you a Bayesian classifier in less than an hour.

C++ for Windows is a disaster. You need an intimate knowledge of MFC and/or ATL. Having to change UI code is like going to the dentist.
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