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is there a cultural thing with titanium bikes?

Old 04-30-10, 02:19 PM
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is there a cultural thing with titanium bikes?

i don't mean to make inappropriate generalizations.

but

of all the bikes i see in NYC, the vast majority of Ti bike owners are older guys, often with gray beards. is there like, an AARP discount? or maybe you actually have to be a wizard to buy a Merlin?

seriously though, why is the proportion of older guys on Ti so high?
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Old 04-30-10, 02:23 PM
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With age comes wisdom.
And you can get *great* deals on them since the kids are all flocking to the disposable plastic bikes.
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I don't know why, but your observation seems to be correct.

My hair and my bike are both grey (although I am "only" 45).

Actually I would have considered at carbon fiber bike, but I need custom geometry and a custom CF frame is prohibitively expensive.
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It's because those Ti bikes were the hi-end in-thing years ago before carbon fiber started becoming the main pro racing frame material. Those Ti frames are very expensive, and work great even after years of use. Hard to justify buying a new CF bike when you've got a $$$$ Ti frame already.

New young guys tend to go carbon, likely because of its popularity in general amongst racers as well as marketing.
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Titanium rider here; I just turned 26.
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Originally Posted by fa63 View Post
Titanium rider here; I just turned 26.
like i said, not making generalizations.

Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
It's because those Ti bikes were the hi-end in-thing years ago before carbon fiber started becoming the main pro racing frame material. Those Ti frames are very expensive, and work great even after years of use. Hard to justify buying a new CF bike when you've got a $$$$ Ti frame already.

New young guys tend to go carbon, likely because of its popularity in general amongst racers as well as marketing.
maybe some dudes want to have their ONE-BIKE forever. for me, i'd rather try lots of bikes over my lifetime. a big part of the bike thing for me is new tech, even if titanium is forever.
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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
i don't mean to make inappropriate generalizations.

but

of all the bikes i see in NYC, the vast majority of Ti bike owners are older guys, often with gray beards. is there like, an AARP discount? or maybe you actually have to be a wizard to buy a Merlin?

seriously though, why is the proportion of older guys on Ti so high?
titanium was the frame material to get in the 90s. thing is, they weren't cheap, so mostly older dudes got them. seems to have set the precedent.
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Old 04-30-10, 02:34 PM
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Well, as a old fart Merlin rider, I like the low maintenance - smooth ride combination. Hard to justify another bike when the one I have is great.
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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
like i said, not making generalizations.



maybe some dudes want to have their ONE-BIKE forever. for me, i'd rather try lots of bikes over my lifetime. a big part of the bike thing for me is new tech, even if titanium is forever.
I'm like you - I'd love nothing more than to have a stable of hi-end racing bikes of different frame materials and workmanship to ride suiting my mood.

But money is the limiting factor. A Ti bike, which usually comes with hi-end components, costs $4500+, you'd better have one fat wallet if you want a Ti bike, a $5k carbon fiber bike, and any other bikes on top of that.

Most folks earning typical money can only afford ONE $5k bike, if even that. Hence the older guys riding Ti bikes that were bought in the 90s before carbon fiber became the predominant material marketed and used in hi-end road bikes.
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Old 04-30-10, 02:56 PM
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I am 38, but I do have a few gray hair. And I love my Merlin Extralight.
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well, since you started with generalizations, i'll add one:

GENERALLY, titanium rides much smoother and less harshly than cf or al.

old dudes love steel too, they mostly ride nice too.

anyway, i love my Merlin!
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Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
It's because those Ti bikes were the hi-end in-thing years ago before carbon fiber started becoming the main pro racing frame material. Those Ti frames are very expensive, and work great even after years of use. Hard to justify buying a new CF bike when you've got a $$$$ Ti frame already.

New young guys tend to go carbon, likely because of its popularity in general amongst racers as well as marketing.
Agreed. My GF is 50 years old and has a Ti bike. She bought it over ten years ago and it is still in perfect condition. Why stop riding it? She told me at the time she bought it Ti was all the rage and carbon was relatively new and had a reputation for being so soft and buttery it was called "mushy". Since then carbon technology has improved and so has the ride with it. However, Ti is still a far more durable frame than carbon. A friend of mine bought a brand new carbon bike three weeks ago and last week she crashed and the frame is cracked (along with her wrist and collarbone). Now her three week old road bike is toast.
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My GF is 50 years old

you cougar hunter you.
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Titanium is the last step before fully breaking down and buying a recumbent.
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Originally Posted by Inertianinja View Post
maybe you actually have to be a wizard to buy a Merlin?
This made me laugh.

For the record, I'm 23 and would own a Ti bike before a carbon fiber one if price weren't an issue.
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I'm almost 50 and have some grey hair. I bought my bike in the 90's, a custom Vail Cycle Works Ti frame. I'm contemplating upgrading to a 10-speed groupo from my Dura-Ace 7700 series 9-speed groupo. What I'm not considering is replacing the frame. At least for me I plan to work through at least two groupos before frames improve enough to warrant a frame upgrade.
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I'm almost 50 and have some grey hair. I bought my bike in the 90's, a custom Vail Cycle Works Ti frame. I'm contemplating upgrading to a 10-speed groupo from my Dura-Ace 7700 series 9-speed groupo. What I'm not considering is replacing the frame. At least for me I plan to work through at least two groupos before frames improve enough to warrant a frame upgrade.
if you have a custom Ti frame, it isnt going to get any better than that.
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Titanium is the last step before fully breaking down and buying a recumbent.
Nothing wrong with Titanium. Nothing wrong with riding a recumbent either.
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Nothing wrong with Titanium. Nothing wrong with riding a recumbent either.
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Old guys often have more money. I'm so old I have two Ti bikes. Now I have no money.
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I think you all are all full of ****. I have a cheap, stiff, "harsh", alu bike and a plush "endurance" CF roubaix. If I put my good wheels on the ALU, I can't tell a difference. If I put the ****ty wheels on the ALU or the CF, the bike feels terrible. Wheels/tires make SO much more of a difference than frame, IMO.
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Same reason they have expensive cars and 30 year old gf's with 5 year old breasts, they can afford them.
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I am 23 and ride a Ti bike but I agree that I always see older people riding 7 or merlin. Never thought about it until now.
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Not everyone likes to put $2000 into the most damage-prone part of the whole bike, though.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
I think you all are all full of ****. I have a cheap, stiff, "harsh", alu bike and a plush "endurance" CF roubaix. If I put my good wheels on the ALU, I can't tell a difference. If I put the ****ty wheels on the ALU or the CF, the bike feels terrible. Wheels/tires make SO much more of a difference than frame, IMO.
Right on topic...Are you in la la land?
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