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Old 04-07-14, 04:05 PM
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I trained yesterday.

Bit of a schedule issue so I can't race for a few weekends. Decided to add in and refresh my endurance.

I know average speed isn't a thing, but yesterday was 82mi/7000ft at 19mph average, so it was kind of a thing at the end to keep my focus.

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90' of z2/z3 this morning. 89 tss.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf View Post
I trained yesterday.

Bit of a schedule issue so I can't race for a few weekends. Decided to add in and refresh my endurance.

I know average speed isn't a thing, but yesterday was 82mi/7000ft at 19mph average, so it was kind of a thing at the end to keep my focus.

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Old 04-07-14, 07:56 PM
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6x3 minute intervals ... well the first was, the rest were 3 1/2 minutes I was went a little too hard on the first one and cooked myself for the rest. At least the last 5 were all the same.
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Felt great during my 2x20's this morning. Too bad I couldn't get my ptap configured and so I had to rely on HR.
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Felt great during my 2x20's this morning. Too bad I couldn't get my ptap configured and so I had to rely on HR.
I'm interested, what's to configure? pair with head unit, calibrate, ride? I don't remember having to do anything else.

edit, nevermind i see your other post. i use Garmin, so no help sorry.
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Anyone else get that thing where you've got a hard workout scheduled for later in the day and you're kind of dreading it? Yeah, that. Every since I woke up, whenever I think about it, I'm all "Man, that's gonna suuuuuck."

But I'm going to do it, because I'll be more awesome after I do it than I was before doing it.
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Legs feeling destroyed. I was not surprised when they hurt yesterday from the race on Sunday. Not even surprised that they were sore this morning. I thought the thing to do would be a bit of stretching and core, then 15 min Z1 on the rollers - just to get some blood flowing, clear out waste products, that kind of thing.

It is now afternoon, and given, I have been up and down the stairs with my little guy all day (stay-at-home parent, live in a townhouse that is all stairs), but my legs feel destroyed. Dang, starting to feel doubtful about doing intervals tomorrow.

On a different note, I have never been all that consistent with tracking my morning HR before I get out of bed, even if this is supposed to be a good way of detecting fatigue (an elevated morning HR is a red flag, as I understand it). Last week I discovered that there are a number of smartphone apps that use the camera to sense your pulse through your fingertip (crazy times). This I can do consistently - wearing a HR strap to bed just never seemed like something I would get used to.
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
Anyone else get that thing where you've got a hard workout scheduled for later in the day and you're kind of dreading it? Yeah, that. Every since I woke up, whenever I think about it, I'm all "Man, that's gonna suuuuuck."

But I'm going to do it, because I'll be more awesome after I do it than I was before doing it.
this happened to me a lot when i was working in an office and mostly trained in the evenings. as someone who traditionally trains almost exclusively in the morning, i hated that feeling. the solution, of course, is to train in the AM before if it works into your schedule, but it's tough.
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Old 04-08-14, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
Anyone else get that thing where you've got a hard workout scheduled for later in the day and you're kind of dreading it? Yeah, that. Every since I woke up, whenever I think about it, I'm all "Man, that's gonna suuuuuck."

But I'm going to do it, because I'll be more awesome after I do it than I was before doing it.
Know the feeling, and yes, you will be more awesome after having completed that workout!
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Old 04-08-14, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Wesley36 View Post
Legs feeling destroyed. I was not surprised when they hurt yesterday from the race on Sunday. Not even surprised that they were sore this morning. I thought the thing to do would be a bit of stretching and core, then 15 min Z1 on the rollers - just to get some blood flowing, clear out waste products, that kind of thing.

It is now afternoon, and given, I have been up and down the stairs with my little guy all day (stay-at-home parent, live in a townhouse that is all stairs), but my legs feel destroyed. Dang, starting to feel doubtful about doing intervals tomorrow.

On a different note, I have never been all that consistent with tracking my morning HR before I get out of bed, even if this is supposed to be a good way of detecting fatigue (an elevated morning HR is a red flag, as I understand it). Last week I discovered that there are a number of smartphone apps that use the camera to sense your pulse through your fingertip (crazy times). This I can do consistently - wearing a HR strap to bed just never seemed like something I would get used to.
Try a protein shake within 30 minutes after the end of your races, and a high protein meal for dinner. It really helps with recovery and reducing soreness. I drink the shake on the ride home.
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Old 04-08-14, 01:45 PM
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Tuesday night pain train training ride tonight. 20 mph winds right now so will make things even harder.
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
Anyone else get that thing where you've got a hard workout scheduled for later in the day and you're kind of dreading it? Yeah, that. Every since I woke up, whenever I think about it, I'm all "Man, that's gonna suuuuuck."

But I'm going to do it, because I'll be more awesome after I do it than I was before doing it.
I had that feeling today. I don't have much time to train today, so i left school during a free block to go do some hill repeats on a hill close to my house. I ended up feeling really good and blasting out 2 more reps then planned.
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I had to recheck the date on this post. Guess you're back?
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Old 04-08-14, 02:14 PM
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I had to recheck the date on this post. Guess you're back?
Halfway back. Riding for sure, but no racing for the time being.
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
this happened to me a lot when i was working in an office and mostly trained in the evenings. as someone who traditionally trains almost exclusively in the morning, i hated that feeling. the solution, of course, is to train in the AM before if it works into your schedule, but it's tough.
Yeah, I think that's pretty much it - I go into my weekday workouts already kind of tired from a day at work. On the other hand, I'm not too great at getting up early enough in the morning, so that's pretty much the way it has to be.
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Sofa King Confused.

Feeling great. Easy week, easy weekend. Raced for only 100 TSS Saturday, rode only 100 TSS Sunday, easy yesterday and felt good.
Judging by higher NP lately and threshold feeling easier, I skipped group rides and went out today to beat my power up a slightly sub 20' climb.
Last month 343 watts with bad pacing (first 5' was 5' PR). Today 325 watts. And it hurt a lot.

No way I lost 18 watts in a month. No way my 20' power is 325, when Sunday's race was an hour at 320 NP.

Lack of fuel maybe?
Ate too close to effort and spent energy digesting still?
Chain not lubed recently enough?
80 degree temps not working for me? (last test was 65 degrees).
All of the above? Idk.
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go by time. power is variable. wind, etc. calibration.
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go by time. power is variable. wind, etc. calibration.
Yeah, time sucked as well. I was actually wondering how often you climb all out, and what your experience is with variability even when you think you feel good. I mean, my climbing will vary by 60 watts often enough, but can't imagine a true all out effort should ever be 18 watts off, even on a bad day.
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Yeah, time sucked as well. I was actually wondering how often you climb all out, and what your experience is with variability even when you think you feel good. I mean, my climbing will vary by 60 watts often enough, but can't imagine a true all out effort should ever be 18 watts off, even on a bad day.

all the time. I don't do 2x20s at ftp, I do 1x20 at 100% instead. Faster. Better mental work for racing.

Variability? Not much. If I get into a flow it can be 410w for OLH. If I feel terrible it can be 390, or it can 400.

The other week I felt so bad I almost quit. Just ground it out all the way up, and ended up with a top-5 time for me. Very surprising, given how bad it felt.

This weekend I felt great, took some pacing advice, hammered out a decent power number and was 20 seconds slower. (mainly due to pacing advice that just doesn't fit my profile)
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
Anyone else get that thing where you've got a hard workout scheduled for later in the day and you're kind of dreading it? Yeah, that. Every since I woke up, whenever I think about it, I'm all "Man, that's gonna suuuuuck."

But I'm going to do it, because I'll be more awesome after I do it than I was before doing it.
Yes. Especially when I'm not working, and have time to think about it and put it off. And more especially when I wake up at 4:30 to drive to a race, I think racing sounds like a horrible idea. Hell, I even think getting out of bed sounds horrible. I just have to trust that I'll do what I have to do once I'm on the bike.
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd View Post
Sofa King Confused.

Feeling great. Easy week, easy weekend. Raced for only 100 TSS Saturday, rode only 100 TSS Sunday, easy yesterday and felt good.
Judging by higher NP lately and threshold feeling easier, I skipped group rides and went out today to beat my power up a slightly sub 20' climb.
Last month 343 watts with bad pacing (first 5' was 5' PR). Today 325 watts. And it hurt a lot.

No way I lost 18 watts in a month. No way my 20' power is 325, when Sunday's race was an hour at 320 NP.

Lack of fuel maybe?
Ate too close to effort and spent energy digesting still?
Chain not lubed recently enough?
80 degree temps not working for me? (last test was 65 degrees).
All of the above? Idk.
This is why I usually do intervals with a HR monitor as well as a power meter. I find power to be the most reliable thing, but HR lets me know how hard I was able to go. If I can't get my HR rate to where I want then there is something wrong and that is why power might be missing from an effort. If I can get my HR up, then that is just my power number and well, live with it. I am guessing your HR was higher on the 343 than the 325, and one of many many factors than can affect your results was the reason.

I find that 18 watts could easily be the difference between a 20' slight climb and a 20 minute effort on the flats or with other variable conditions that affect your ride. For me my HR average during the ride would give a better indicator of how hard I really tried. It is also possible that you were two well rested and that in a couple of days or even a week you will be back to your 343 numbers and even better - RPE is not sensitive enough to identify an 18 watt difference IMO. But the fact you mentioned a hill on your first ride is the thing that pops to me the most. It is much easier for me to pop a good number with a hill, also hills are typically not paced as well as the flats and for me that would just be normal.

One thing I have learned, cycling is an odd sport and what we do to our bodies creates some interesting side effects when it comes to expected power output on specific days. Don't even think about it until you measure again, you need more data to conclude anything.
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One thing I have learned, cycling is an odd sport and what we do to our bodies creates some interesting side effects when it comes to expected power output on specific days. Don't even think about it until you measure again, you need more data to conclude anything.

like losing weight, it's the trend that matters.
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