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"The All Steel Bicycle" showed up after the early 1950s, but the "Raleigh Sports" lettering on the downtube still suggests a pretty early machine.
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How late did they use the chain case, this one seems original to me and is in great shape.
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This one is particularly strange, as it's built with 27" wheels (and they're Westricks, no less), but the same thing applies to conventional 26 x 1-3/8" bikes.
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In markets where chaincases were the norm, the Sports and Superbe were available with them throughout their entire run. Case in point, here's a Dutch or Danish market (seller doesn't know anything about it) '73+ Superbe that happens to be on eBay right now:
This one is particularly strange, as it's built with 27" wheels (and they're Westricks, no less), but the same thing applies to conventional 26 x 1-3/8" bikes.
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This one is particularly strange, as it's built with 27" wheels (and they're Westricks, no less), but the same thing applies to conventional 26 x 1-3/8" bikes.
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That one is awesome despite being a later one, I would imagine there are far less with chaincase here where many in the US were too "cool" for them.
Mine was supposedly from Holland but it was supposedly a 50's too so....
It has a bunch of hand engraved numbers on the top of the seatube from one of the countries that mandated it along with the what I assume is the factory #,
I will get pics and drill down more.
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Tx, Kurt,
That one is awesome despite being a later one, I would imagine there are far less with chaincase here where many in the US were too "cool" for them.
Mine was supposedly from Holland but it was supposedly a 50's too so....
It has a bunch of hand engraved numbers on the top of the seatube from one of the countries that mandated it along with the what I assume is the factory #,
I will get pics and drill down more.
That one is awesome despite being a later one, I would imagine there are far less with chaincase here where many in the US were too "cool" for them.
Mine was supposedly from Holland but it was supposedly a 50's too so....
It has a bunch of hand engraved numbers on the top of the seatube from one of the countries that mandated it along with the what I assume is the factory #,
I will get pics and drill down more.
Still, I'd take a pre-TI bike any day over the later stuff - and that's why I have three of those, and only one post-TI era Sports. I'm certain yours is later than 1952, but it may be on the cusp of the late 1950's. Thankfully, not that much differed on the European models vs. the US models back then.
What's the factory seattube lug serial say?
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I agree, the 27" wheels, dual drum brakes, complete lack of US-market chintzes and CPSC equipment, and that beautifully maintained Coffee paint job make it much more agreeable than the stuff that the US received during the same era.
Still, I'd take a pre-TI bike any day over the later stuff - and that's why I have three of those, and only one post-TI era Sports. I'm certain yours is later than 1952, but it may be on the cusp of the late 1950's. Thankfully, not that much differed on the European models vs. the US models back then.
What's the factory seattube lug serial say?
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Still, I'd take a pre-TI bike any day over the later stuff - and that's why I have three of those, and only one post-TI era Sports. I'm certain yours is later than 1952, but it may be on the cusp of the late 1950's. Thankfully, not that much differed on the European models vs. the US models back then.
What's the factory seattube lug serial say?
-Kurt
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I agree, the 27" wheels, dual drum brakes, complete lack of US-market chintzes and CPSC equipment, and that beautifully maintained Coffee paint job make it much more agreeable than the stuff that the US received during the same era.
Still, I'd take a pre-TI bike any day over the later stuff - and that's why I have three of those, and only one post-TI era Sports. I'm certain yours is later than 1952, but it may be on the cusp of the late 1950's. Thankfully, not that much differed on the European models vs. the US models back then.
What's the factory seattube lug serial say?
-Kurt
Still, I'd take a pre-TI bike any day over the later stuff - and that's why I have three of those, and only one post-TI era Sports. I'm certain yours is later than 1952, but it may be on the cusp of the late 1950's. Thankfully, not that much differed on the European models vs. the US models back then.
What's the factory seattube lug serial say?
-Kurt
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I've never seen that serial pattern. Granted, I was also out of the hobby for five years, so someone may have already unearthed it before.
At any rate, that's no matter. Everything here is TI-era Raleigh. Slapping Sir Walter on everything was a TI trademark; the earlier bikes didn't have that either. The simplified cable clip is also indicative of TI-era production (the clips on earlier bikes are a bit more ornate and slotted like the fulcrum clamp), as is the short nosed/short tail front fender (I should have noted that straight away). Lugs are third-gen.
Here's a '52 with the longer front fender:
And here are examples of the Mk.1, Mk.2, and Mk.III lugs:
Mk1 - ?-1955
MkII - 1956-1964
MkIII - less pronounced nozzle cut. 1965-1980
Those thicker stamped brake calipers popped up in 1968, and given that it has clips instead of cable stops, it's safely pre-1973. I'd safely put this bike between 1968-1972.
While the decals and black paint suggest an older bike, it so happens that Raleigh used this decal kit on the gold S22's all the way into 1972 (and a bit into 1973 - probably frame overstock), so seeing it this late in the game isn't out of the question. It's a bike made for a market that would be favorable to a model duplicating what Raleigh offered 20 years prior.
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At any rate, that's no matter. Everything here is TI-era Raleigh. Slapping Sir Walter on everything was a TI trademark; the earlier bikes didn't have that either. The simplified cable clip is also indicative of TI-era production (the clips on earlier bikes are a bit more ornate and slotted like the fulcrum clamp), as is the short nosed/short tail front fender (I should have noted that straight away). Lugs are third-gen.
Here's a '52 with the longer front fender:
And here are examples of the Mk.1, Mk.2, and Mk.III lugs:
Mk1 - ?-1955
MkII - 1956-1964
MkIII - less pronounced nozzle cut. 1965-1980
Those thicker stamped brake calipers popped up in 1968, and given that it has clips instead of cable stops, it's safely pre-1973. I'd safely put this bike between 1968-1972.
While the decals and black paint suggest an older bike, it so happens that Raleigh used this decal kit on the gold S22's all the way into 1972 (and a bit into 1973 - probably frame overstock), so seeing it this late in the game isn't out of the question. It's a bike made for a market that would be favorable to a model duplicating what Raleigh offered 20 years prior.
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Yeah I figured as much, oh well, at least it looks old AND crappy, just like they're supposed to.
I've got another that I bought as a parts bike but it is actually in better shape and is supposed to be a 68? I think, maybe it will be the one I dedicate resources to.
It was a parts bike for this one despite also being complete, it has I believe a factory dyno hub and the original rear hub so who knows.
Its buried and I'll drag it out to see.
Any thoughts on the chicken scratch hand done numbers, there seem to be more than a couple explanations for this being what they did in Finland, maybe some of the other Scandinavian countries?
Yeah I figured as much, oh well, at least it looks old AND crappy, just like they're supposed to.
I've got another that I bought as a parts bike but it is actually in better shape and is supposed to be a 68? I think, maybe it will be the one I dedicate resources to.
It was a parts bike for this one despite also being complete, it has I believe a factory dyno hub and the original rear hub so who knows.
Its buried and I'll drag it out to see.
Any thoughts on the chicken scratch hand done numbers, there seem to be more than a couple explanations for this being what they did in Finland, maybe some of the other Scandinavian countries?
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Here's some really crappy pics of the other, AW hub w/oil port says 56/3, Raleigh Industries stamped bits, looks like right brakes and some very different lugs for the ladies version.
Spaced the S/N
Here's some really crappy pics of the other, AW hub w/oil port says 56/3, Raleigh Industries stamped bits, looks like right brakes and some very different lugs for the ladies version.
Spaced the S/N
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Here's some really crappy pics of the other, AW hub w/oil port says 56/3, Raleigh Industries stamped bits, looks like right brakes and some very different lugs for the ladies version.
Spaced the S/N
Here's some really crappy pics of the other, AW hub w/oil port says 56/3, Raleigh Industries stamped bits, looks like right brakes and some very different lugs for the ladies version.
Spaced the S/N
Clean that beauty up! My thread on the build of my 1952 Sports has a blurb in it about polishing the frames: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...gh-sports.html. They should both turn out great. I'll bet the '56 is a fair bit heavier than the '68.
Not sure why you'd need a parts bike for either - they both appear complete. So many small details differ between the two that it doesn't make sense to use the parts from a '56 on a '68 or vise-versa. Rims have a different center finish, brake calipers have a different cable mounting system, etc, etc.
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1985 Team USA. 52/42 with a 14-30 freewheel. I have an upgraded 27" wheelset with sealed bearings which I'll be putting on this weekend.
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99% sure that's a mostly complete 1956 Sports. You've got the years flipped between the two
Clean that beauty up! My thread on the build of my 1952 Sports has a blurb in it about polishing the frames: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...gh-sports.html. They should both turn out great. I'll bet the '56 is a fair bit heavier than the '68.
Not sure why you'd need a parts bike for either - they both appear complete. So many small details differ between the two that it doesn't make sense to use the parts from a '56 on a '68 or vise-versa. Rims have a different center finish, brake calipers have a different cable mounting system, etc, etc.
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Clean that beauty up! My thread on the build of my 1952 Sports has a blurb in it about polishing the frames: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...gh-sports.html. They should both turn out great. I'll bet the '56 is a fair bit heavier than the '68.
Not sure why you'd need a parts bike for either - they both appear complete. So many small details differ between the two that it doesn't make sense to use the parts from a '56 on a '68 or vise-versa. Rims have a different center finish, brake calipers have a different cable mounting system, etc, etc.
-Kurt
You would think but I was just confused in general wanting to believe the first one was really old and forgetting the 2nd one was 56 by the hub after the seller told me it was 68.
Preemptive parts bike or second complete. Rear wheel on the 68 is pretty bad so the other would have been a good replacement if it had actually been a 50 something but now the 56 will be the primary, may move the rear rack and chain case over from the 68 to the 56, we'll see.
Do you think the dyno hub is original or period correct from the crappy pic? That one has no lights and the 68 has a crappy aftermarket headlight with the cool tailight scabbed onto the back fender.
Got any half decent spare headlights?
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time to join the club. Super Tourer, 1974 according to the serial.
Need to get some fenders to really make this a great errand bike, but I love this weird thing so far.
Need to get some fenders to really make this a great errand bike, but I love this weird thing so far.
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It's such a weird oddball of a bike but surprisingly forward thinking, in the sense that you absolutely see people ride setups like that nowadays. I joked when I saw it that you could absolutely sell it now with "VeloOrange" or "All-City" on the downtube and in fact All City actually does make a flat bar steel road bike, albeit with a 1x gravel drivetrain.
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I've got a '74 Super Tourer as well - refurbed mine from the ground up. but kept most of the original components. I posted pics a few pages back, check it out here: https://www.bikeforums.net/21626992-post693.html
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Yeah, a frame pump and replacement fenders are next on the list. That and some decent brake calipers, hah.
It's a bit off catalog spec because I thought the 1974 came with the mattress saddle, but this one has the B66. Either someone replaced it, or it was changed before the end of the year. It's definitely a 74 though, I think that was the only one with the top tube pump mounts.
Hubs are different too- Maillard 700, rather than the Normandy Competition. Seem to be laced to the correct rims though. Let me know if I'm talking BS, but wasn't it less unusual for bikes to go off catalog spec back then? IE swapping Altenburger brakes for Weinmann if there weren't enough Weinmann calipers to go around, etc
It's a bit off catalog spec because I thought the 1974 came with the mattress saddle, but this one has the B66. Either someone replaced it, or it was changed before the end of the year. It's definitely a 74 though, I think that was the only one with the top tube pump mounts.
Hubs are different too- Maillard 700, rather than the Normandy Competition. Seem to be laced to the correct rims though. Let me know if I'm talking BS, but wasn't it less unusual for bikes to go off catalog spec back then? IE swapping Altenburger brakes for Weinmann if there weren't enough Weinmann calipers to go around, etc
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These are the hubs on the bike right now btw, as opposed to the catalog spec Normandie Competition.
I think it's not too likely that someone bothered to replace the hubs but not the fairly standard Weinmann rims, so is it likely that they just swapped one French hub for another due to parts availability?
(also I know next to nothing about French hubs, are those any good? Generally "team issue" isn't a term that is BSed around too much...)
I think it's not too likely that someone bothered to replace the hubs but not the fairly standard Weinmann rims, so is it likely that they just swapped one French hub for another due to parts availability?
(also I know next to nothing about French hubs, are those any good? Generally "team issue" isn't a term that is BSed around too much...)
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The cool fall weather has arrived, giving me more opportunities to wear some of my old wool jerseys!
For this morning's ride with buddies, I had the pleasure of riding my '74 International and wearing a similar vintage Raleigh jersey with embroidered logo and front pockets (just like in the catalog)....
sadly, these aren't pics from today's ride. Too bad, because it really was sunny and gorgeous!
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For this morning's ride with buddies, I had the pleasure of riding my '74 International and wearing a similar vintage Raleigh jersey with embroidered logo and front pockets (just like in the catalog)....
sadly, these aren't pics from today's ride. Too bad, because it really was sunny and gorgeous!
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