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Hi folks

just found that forum and registered.

I got by the father of one my coworker and old Galmozzi from the 60's

I guess it is a Galmozzi Super Competizione


I had it restored by a guy here in Munich.
Results can be seen under
GALMOZZI 1978
Next year I will ride with a group of 8 others riders L'Eroica on it.


See, if I can make with it the famous "stradi bianchi" around Pieve a Salti: a dream place for riders who like it it really tough.

Ed.

The first link didn't work, but the second.... beautiful. Funny, I was thinking this morning of David Newsomethingski (can't remember how to spell it) and his Galmozzi. He wanted a Masi, and I don't know whatever happened to his Galmozzi.

Wishing you a fun ride!

KonAaron Snake 

I should probably put these here for posterity. I'm surely biased, but I think these are both exceptional examples.

The Pinarello was Galmozzi built...mid-60s, almost entirely original/period appropriate.



The Galmozzi is a 63'...also all time apprioriate:

repechage

Those two look very of similar geometry at the seat tube. But up front very different. Which of course brings the question... How do they compare?

KonAaron Snake 

I haven't ridden either enough to make any intelligent comments. I have 20 miles on the Galmozzi...and the saddle is horrendous. The Pinarello is waiting for tires...I rode it with some that were at the end of their life span...i have three rides on it or so...probably about 60 miles all told.

I think differences in the fork and headtube have more to do with photos and angles than actual differences...they're very similar bikes.

Roger M

I like the Pinarello, Aaron(Green is a weakness here). what is the story with your saddle? Is that a Rudi special? The profile is unique to say the least.

gaucho777 

I see it, too. Both photos seem to have been taken from a very similar angle. The Galmozzi appears to have a steeper head tube as well as less and later bend to the fork.

KonAaron Snake 

The difference does exist, but I think it's less pronounced than it looks in the photo. The front of the Galmozzi is more aggressive.

Yes...Rudi did make it. The idea was sort of along the lines of Otussi.

repechage

Some careful measuring I think will reveal quite a bit of difference, at least forward of the bottom bracket.
The question to be answered later is how does that translate to the handling.
(swap wheels too if you do that, make it apples/apples.)

One could say Galmozzi was more forward thinking with his own bikes.

I just finished doing an initial measure of two Colnagos, '72 and a '73. Same size. The '73 has a longer front center surprisingly. It is not in the top tube but 6 mm more fork rake. Who would have thought?

KonAaron Snake 

I'll get that measured...I'm curious now. The Galmozzi certainly looks more aggressive on the front end (on an earlier model)...but keep in mind it's very possible both were customs.

repechage

Yes, but a rider did not "order" angles from an Italian builder, you went to him for his view on what you needed.
With a relationship, the rider's feedback on how the bike behaved and the builders observations of the rider on the bike might encourage a suggestion on how to make the next bike different.

As one bike might be assumed to be contract built for Pinarello, to a spec. The Galmozzi might be assumed to be more of the world view of the builder.

A story from the 70's, I know of a few British builders who would build you whatever you wanted, even though it may not work!
A friend got his dream frame, built perfectly to the drawing… but the designer/client did not take into account the uneven or inflated diameter of a tire.
The rear tire hit the seat tube, so much so that the bike was unridable save for the narrowest (and smallest diameter) of tubular tires.
Be careful to ask for what you want! And get it! A front derailleur? not possible, single chainring only up front.
Bike had vertical dropouts, which trapped the error solid.
So it goes.

KonAaron Snake 

Heh!

I don't want to end up in an argument with IAB again about this, but to me...when you go to a builder, you are buying their knowledge of fit and performance. I know others see it differently, and I respect their view.

Given how small a shop it was then, i don't think it's impossible that the pinarello was custom as well. I'd love to know more about early Pinarello - there's not much info out there and you just don't see many pre-80s.

repechage

I admit I would be a terrible custom frame client, I have ridden enough bikes now to know what does what and what I like.
Your Pinarello is the earliest I have seen yet, I have seen a few from the 70's, but not many even from that period.

lotek 

My favorite anecdote on client design, from Ko Zieleman (of course):
from Fiets magazine date unknown.

rootboy 

Just fantastic.

himespau 

Interesting that the same builder used two very different lugs.

KonAaron Snake 

I've seen Galmozzi branded bikes from the period when the Pinarello was built and they did have the more standard Galmozzi lugs. I really like the contrast and similarity between the two. I think the Pinarello actually shows a bit more filing. Both have paint a step above most Italians from the period.

Citoyen du Monde

When I was living in Treviso I saw quite a few Pinarello bikes from the 50's, the large majority being city bikes but a few racing bikes interspersed. Very few if any were however as nice as Aaron's.

KonAaron Snake 

What were Pinarello's production/sales figures like? Were most of their bikes from the period sub-contracted?

Stefano has an eye.

peugeot mongrel

You are indeed a lucky man!

A Galmozzi from the 70s had lugs very similar to the Pinarello so it must have been a direction Angelo Galmozzi was going. Does anyone know when Angelo began to have full influence over the shop?

Citoyen du Monde

It was one of many shops in the city of Treviso, but it only sold from its own shop until some time in the 60's. I believe it was a smaller than the brand Tarvisium (at least from the number of bikes that you see around Treviso) until the 70's. I believe that they subcontracted the building of frames for the most part, although I had a friend who did work as a framebuilder for them in the 80's, a time in which they were building about 5K bikes a year according to him.

KonAaron Snake 

Thanks CDM!

I feel very fortunate to have one as unusual and special as it is...you were right, although I liked it from the beginning, it's more unique than I appreciated originally.

The blurb on the Pinarello site tries to imply they were all hand made by Giovanni, but I'd heard that Cinelli built bikes for them if you go back a bit.

SJX426 

@KonAaron Snake - Absolutely beautiful! Thanks for sharing! Another great thread true to C&V. I just have to say for those cruising, note that the brakes at the time were Universal, typically MOD 61 Center Pulls. For some crazy reason, I really like them. I think it is left over from my younger years with the experience of center pulls being able to space from the rims evenly compared to sidepulls. This would be the late 60's, early '70's. At the time, I couldn't understand why Campagnolo would offer the latter design.

Curios that the brake routing is opposite between the two bikes. My memory of the time period was left rear.

KonAaron Snake 

Oy. You're right, I goofed. I am prone to silliness like this with bikes. Somehow I can be extremely meticulous and detailed with work, but when it comes to this sort of thing, I'm a bit of a doofus.