S-Works Creo SL Motor Slipping
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S-Works Creo SL Motor Slipping
The motor in my Creo started slipping at about 7 weeks post purchase. I took the bike in on 10/22/20 and there didn't seem to be any reason for the occasional popping noise I was hearing. So, we scheduled a more in-depth appointment for 11/09/20 (which was yesterday). I got got off the phone with my dealer. Apparently the motor needs to be replaced already. I have exactly 2012.6 miles on the bike.
On the up side, the bike is an absolute blast to ride. But, I am concerned that the replacement motor will suffer the same fate after a further 2 months of riding, but time will tell. I'm not real happy at this point.
I've read there have been many, many problems with this motor in their e-mountain bikes. This does not inspire confidence.
On the up side, the bike is an absolute blast to ride. But, I am concerned that the replacement motor will suffer the same fate after a further 2 months of riding, but time will tell. I'm not real happy at this point.
I've read there have been many, many problems with this motor in their e-mountain bikes. This does not inspire confidence.
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Man that sucks. Maybe the guys building it had an off day, hopefully it isn't a defective design.
As expensive as that bike is they should give you a loaner bike while it gets fixed.
As expensive as that bike is they should give you a loaner bike while it gets fixed.
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In the OPs case, just have Specialized warranty it, it hopefully shouldn't happen again. We replaced an SL motor and wasn't super difficult and the bike was used quite roughly by someone younger but it still got warrantied and supported.
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The old original Turbo and Turbo X with the hub drive motor had a ton of problems but they stopped making that a while back but there are probably still listings on the internet for that. That was a hub drive and hub drives aren't super reliable generally but if you are going to add those to their current line up, it is not really fair. They learned their lesson and moved onto a better motor. Yes they do have some problems but again re-read my last post about belt issues.
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The motor in my Creo started slipping at about 7 weeks post purchase. I took the bike in on 10/22/20 and there didn't seem to be any reason for the occasional popping noise I was hearing. So, we scheduled a more in-depth appointment for 11/09/20 (which was yesterday). I got got off the phone with my dealer. Apparently the motor needs to be replaced already. I have exactly 2012.6 miles on the bike.
On the up side, the bike is an absolute blast to ride. But, I am concerned that the replacement motor will suffer the same fate after a further 2 months of riding, but time will tell. I'm not real happy at this point.
I've read there have been many, many problems with this motor in their e-mountain bikes. This does not inspire confidence.
On the up side, the bike is an absolute blast to ride. But, I am concerned that the replacement motor will suffer the same fate after a further 2 months of riding, but time will tell. I'm not real happy at this point.
I've read there have been many, many problems with this motor in their e-mountain bikes. This does not inspire confidence.
Also there are some comments here about belts failing. I believe that Specialized changed their motors a while back to gear driven.
Also articles say: "For the newly designed SL 1.1, Specialized is not working with Brose, but rather an unnamed German automotive manufacturer, explained Dominik Geyer, Turbo Business Lead."
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You have put a lot of miles on your bike in a short period of time. What kind of riding do you do, commuting, hills, or ... What level of assistance have you primarily used and do you switch often between levels?
Also there are some comments here about belts failing. I believe that Specialized changed their motors a while back to gear driven.
Also articles say: "For the newly designed SL 1.1, Specialized is not working with Brose, but rather an unnamed German automotive manufacturer, explained Dominik Geyer, Turbo Business Lead."
Also there are some comments here about belts failing. I believe that Specialized changed their motors a while back to gear driven.
Also articles say: "For the newly designed SL 1.1, Specialized is not working with Brose, but rather an unnamed German automotive manufacturer, explained Dominik Geyer, Turbo Business Lead."
The sound the motor makes sounds exactly like a toothed belt slipping a single tooth. I generally ride in the middle or high setting. I have middle tuned for 65 percent assist, high is tuned for 80 percent. I don’t often switch modes.
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Got the Creo back tonight but only had a few minutes to run around the block. The new motor is much quieter than the old one. I’m fairly certain that the first motor was nearly s8lent at first too. It will be interesting to see if this motor fares better.
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You have put a lot of miles on your bike in a short period of time. What kind of riding do you do, commuting, hills, or ... What level of assistance have you primarily used and do you switch often between levels?
Also there are some comments here about belts failing. I believe that Specialized changed their motors a while back to gear driven.
Also articles say: "For the newly designed SL 1.1, Specialized is not working with Brose, but rather an unnamed German automotive manufacturer, explained Dominik Geyer, Turbo Business Lead."
Also there are some comments here about belts failing. I believe that Specialized changed their motors a while back to gear driven.
Also articles say: "For the newly designed SL 1.1, Specialized is not working with Brose, but rather an unnamed German automotive manufacturer, explained Dominik Geyer, Turbo Business Lead."
A lot of folks do big miles on their e-bikes especially early on but usually it keeps going. They are a ton of fun so it is easy to ride and ride without getting as worn out meaning way more miles and way more smiles. A lot of folks at work were e-bike naysayers then we got them to ride them on a company trip and they were all "yeah I kinda want one now".
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Per Specialized re the Creo Sl Comp Carbon: "The lightweight SL 1.1 motor doubles your effort with as much as 240 watts of silent and powerful assistance to amplify your ride." https://www.specialized.com/us/en/tu...ext=98120-5002
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I have a theory on "motor failures", based on what I've observed in terms of the habits of e-bike riders, many of which are new to the Cycling Industrial Complex.
in conventional, lightweight bikes, a skilled rider uses the gears to match their effort, fitness and cadence to the terrain.
what I have observed with many ebike riders is that they are riding in impossibly high gears, and on the highest assist level.
my ebike (Spec Vado 5) has about 2000 miles on it and I've had zero problems with it - I ride it like a road bike, I change down to low gears for hills, and usually on the "low" assist. Maybe bump it up to "2" if I am climbing a hill with a couple wine bottles in the panniers.
My theory is that if you always ride at the highest assist level on the controller, and especially at low pedal RPM, you're exposing the gear train to the highest loads and the motor windings are seeing very close to a dead short.
the nearest and best analogy I can think of is "lugging the engine". altho I do agree that things "should be" designed to accomodate any possible condition the rider encounters, if my theory is true, than rider habits (maybe lack of knowledge) are contributing to early motor failures.
following the "lugging the engine" analogy, If you drive a Porsche in 4th gear at 20 mph, you'll go thru the main bearings or throw a rod, because of high loads and low oil pressure. Same thing.
what I'd like to know is - does my observation comport what what you've observed ?
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in conventional, lightweight bikes, a skilled rider uses the gears to match their effort, fitness and cadence to the terrain.
what I have observed with many ebike riders is that they are riding in impossibly high gears, and on the highest assist level.
my ebike (Spec Vado 5) has about 2000 miles on it and I've had zero problems with it - I ride it like a road bike, I change down to low gears for hills, and usually on the "low" assist. Maybe bump it up to "2" if I am climbing a hill with a couple wine bottles in the panniers.
My theory is that if you always ride at the highest assist level on the controller, and especially at low pedal RPM, you're exposing the gear train to the highest loads and the motor windings are seeing very close to a dead short.
the nearest and best analogy I can think of is "lugging the engine". altho I do agree that things "should be" designed to accomodate any possible condition the rider encounters, if my theory is true, than rider habits (maybe lack of knowledge) are contributing to early motor failures.
following the "lugging the engine" analogy, If you drive a Porsche in 4th gear at 20 mph, you'll go thru the main bearings or throw a rod, because of high loads and low oil pressure. Same thing.
what I'd like to know is - does my observation comport what what you've observed ?
Mark Petry
Bainbridge Island, WA
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Sorry, couldn't resist. American V8's rule.
I agree with you. Most ebike primers say to not lug the motor at low speed in a high gear. I make a point to shift normally and keep a good cadence. Can't be good for the motor.