Wheelsuckers and weakness, cause or effect?
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Wheelsuckers and weakness, cause or effect?
This morning nearly a dozen people tried wheelsucking without permission or acknowledgement. As soon as I noticed I dropped them all. I'm not even that fast, so this raises the question: are wheelsuckers slow because they draft instead of putting in work, or do only slow people wheelsuck because they know they need to cheat to go fast?
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I am struck by the fact so many riders turned out for a Sunday morning ride in August. If 12 in the group lined up behind you, how many actually showed up? You guys must have a well organized and managed club.
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I say it's both, in a viscous feedback loop. First you start sucking wheels because you're slow, then you get slower and slower until you can't hang on anymore, then you're at the coffee shop showing people your new ebike.
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This morning nearly a dozen people tried wheelsucking without permission or acknowledgement. As soon as I noticed I dropped them all. I'm not even that fast, so this raises the question: are wheelsuckers slow because they draft instead of putting in work, or do only slow people wheelsuck because they know they need to cheat to go fast?
Discuss.
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Only two of them were together; this was over the course of three or so hours.
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They picture themselves in the peloton of the Tour. Unfortunately, they have no idea what they really look like.
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If they caught up with you and were planning on passing when they could see a safe distance down the way then you may have just screwed their plans by speeding up.
I will agree that it is annoying too many cyclist don't let others know when they are getting close behind and when they pass.
Maybe your competitiveness gets in the way of accepting that when riders of mismatched speeds are riding the same path that at some point one will have to be behind the other for a time.
Instead of being annoyed they are on your wheel, just talk to them and find out why they are there and when they'll be gone.
I will agree that it is annoying too many cyclist don't let others know when they are getting close behind and when they pass.
Maybe your competitiveness gets in the way of accepting that when riders of mismatched speeds are riding the same path that at some point one will have to be behind the other for a time.
Instead of being annoyed they are on your wheel, just talk to them and find out why they are there and when they'll be gone.
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If they caught up with you and were planning on passing when they could see a safe distance down the way then you may have just screwed their plans by speeding up.
I will agree that it is annoying too many cyclist don't let others know when they are getting close behind and when they pass.
Maybe your competitiveness gets in the way of accepting that when riders of mismatched speeds are riding the same path that at some point one will have to be behind the other for a time.
Instead of being annoyed they are on your wheel, just talk to them and find out why they are there and when they'll be gone.
I will agree that it is annoying too many cyclist don't let others know when they are getting close behind and when they pass.
Maybe your competitiveness gets in the way of accepting that when riders of mismatched speeds are riding the same path that at some point one will have to be behind the other for a time.
Instead of being annoyed they are on your wheel, just talk to them and find out why they are there and when they'll be gone.
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Several years ago, in the tour de Madison, I got caught up by a wheelsucker. I tried dropping him, tried slowing down so he could pull, just about everything. This went on for 30 miles of so, him nipping at my heels until we hit a final decision point - a bonus loop which adds 9 miles to the route through the hills of the Blue Ridge Mtns. I took the loop, hoping he would follow. He did.
I’m a good climber, so my strategy was to drop him up the climbs.
About half way through, I could feel my back tire getting soft.....flat!
Guy stopped along side and offered me a spare tube and CO2 cartridge. We chatted, he turned out to be a really nice person.
I completely forgot to ask him “wassup? Why didn’t you pull?
I’m a good climber, so my strategy was to drop him up the climbs.
About half way through, I could feel my back tire getting soft.....flat!
Guy stopped along side and offered me a spare tube and CO2 cartridge. We chatted, he turned out to be a really nice person.
I completely forgot to ask him “wassup? Why didn’t you pull?
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This morning nearly a dozen people tried wheelsucking without permission or acknowledgement. As soon as I noticed I dropped them all. I'm not even that fast, so this raises the question: are wheelsuckers slow because they draft instead of putting in work, or do only slow people wheelsuck because they know they need to cheat to go fast?
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This morning nearly a dozen people tried wheelsucking without permission or acknowledgement. As soon as I noticed I dropped them all. I'm not even that fast, so this raises the question: are wheelsuckers slow because they draft instead of putting in work, or do only slow people wheelsuck because they know they need to cheat to go fast?
Discuss.
Discuss.
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I still consider myself a forever newb, but I wouldn’t be comfortable hopping on someone’s wheel I didn’t know. When I ride solo I want to ride solo, chances of the person going where I am going are slim to none.
Wheel sucking is for when I am in group rides.
Ive yet to have anyone try and hop on my wheel, but I also ride when most people are just waking up. If someone did try I prolly would dial it up and leave them.
Wheel sucking is for when I am in group rides.
Ive yet to have anyone try and hop on my wheel, but I also ride when most people are just waking up. If someone did try I prolly would dial it up and leave them.
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Being new to cycling and it's oddities, I have sucked wheels a few times without knowing it was rude. I did it because I wasn't strong enough to overtake; I didn't want to spook them while descending quickly; or because I didn't want to ride side by side.
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If they caught up with you and were planning on passing when they could see a safe distance down the way then you may have just screwed their plans by speeding up.
I will agree that it is annoying too many cyclist don't let others know when they are getting close behind and when they pass.
Maybe your competitiveness gets in the way of accepting that when riders of mismatched speeds are riding the same path that at some point one will have to be behind the other for a time.
Instead of being annoyed they are on your wheel, just talk to them and find out why they are there and when they'll be gone.
I will agree that it is annoying too many cyclist don't let others know when they are getting close behind and when they pass.
Maybe your competitiveness gets in the way of accepting that when riders of mismatched speeds are riding the same path that at some point one will have to be behind the other for a time.
Instead of being annoyed they are on your wheel, just talk to them and find out why they are there and when they'll be gone.
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How can they be slow if they caught up to your rear wheel? Did they teleport in behind you?
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ahh ok. Though I do experience it quite a bit, cycling or driving.. the guy who passes, falls in line in front of me, and then slows their pace/speed.
Or the guy who comes up to the red light, moves all the way to the front past everyone already waiting, and then we all have to pass him again after the light turns green.
Or the guy who comes up to the red light, moves all the way to the front past everyone already waiting, and then we all have to pass him again after the light turns green.
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ahh ok. Though I do experience it quite a bit, cycling or driving.. the guy who passes, falls in line in front of me, and then slows their pace/speed.
Or the guy who comes up to the red light, moves all the way to the front past everyone already waiting, and then we all have to pass him again after the light turns green.
Or the guy who comes up to the red light, moves all the way to the front past everyone already waiting, and then we all have to pass him again after the light turns green.
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What's the opposite of wheelsucking anyway? You know.. where you're coming up on someone, they notice you're back there, and then they go at a speed that keeps them right in front of you.
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It can be awfully fun to push them harder and harder until they crack.
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