topflightpro

Looks like Wahoo released details on its new Speedplay pedal line.

https://www.wahoofitness.com/devices...all#seciton-63

Glad to see hex bolts for installing cleats over the previous Phillips screws. I don't see details on backward compatibility though.

Bluechip

Installing with the phillips screw? What? You install with a standard pedal wrench. The phillips screw was access to the grease port.

topflightpro

Looks like I misread that. I thought they were replacing the Phillips screws used on the cleats with hex screws. That is not the case. They are putting a hex pattern on the spindle for install of the pedal.

And per BikeRumor, the old Zero cleats and pedals are compatible with the new stuff.

Psimet2001 

In our marketing memos they specifically call out that all cleats are backwards compatible with existing Zero pedals.

Sy Reene

Odds on whether the spindles will still be user-replaceable? Actually not clear, are eg. the Zeros identical to what has been sold and is still on the shelves at retailers, or is there some sort of redesign that occurred?

WhyFi

I don't think that it's really a matter of being user-replaceable - anything this simple is user-replaceable with common tools and the right parts. The more relevant question is whether Wahoo will let third party parts exist in the marketplace. To that end, Wahoo have made a point of saying that they'd be far less litigious than Speedplay, which had a reputation as being one of the worst out in the industry.

Sy Reene

Agree it should be simple. Though I suppose if they put their minds to it, they could figure out a way that you can no longer turn the ChromMoly pedal into the Ti version ($300 MSRP difference) by getting some ebay J&L spindles for $35. For whatever reason, Speedplay hadn't been going after those sellers AFAIK for a while -- they've been very easy to get. Of note as well, I don't see yet, Wahoo themselves selling any other length spindled pedals, or the spindles themselves (which speedplay used to do). Nor so far any rebuild kits. Could be they're just getting started I suppose.

cuevélo

According to the table in this article, additional spindle lengths will be available for the Zeros.

rubiksoval

DC Rainmaker has an article out today that says one model does have different spindle lengths (there's a bit about it in comments section).

Psimet2001 

There will be spindle lengths available but not at this time. Roughly same timing as the power pedal.

Hapsmo911

i assume the spindles wont be backwards compatible as the bearings are new?

Sy Reene

That's a good question. The other being whether the additional spindle lengths are only available built in (by factory?) as part of the pedal, or if just the spindles would be sold.

SoSmellyAir

How about for Ultralight Action pedals and cleats? Speedplay previously said that these were not cross compatible with its Zero product line. If not, would Speedplay keep suppling Ultralight Action cleats and other replacement components?

Psimet2001 

I don't know for a fact but I believe that would be a safe assumption.

Psimet2001 

The old pedals and cleats weren't cross compatible. Everything new works on old Zero's. Therefore the Ultralight action stuff - I would feel safe in assuming - is dead. If you want to ride light action you would need the new light action cleat which is compatible with all current line and old Zero pedals.

Don't take it personally - they finally killed off completely the X series, Frogs, Syzr, etc (whatever they were running), and ultralights. This is their way forward. It is what it is.

Voodoo76

Psimet2001 Great info! As a long time speedplay user backward compatibility was my biggest question & I had not seen that addressed anywhere else. I have a lot of Zeros/Cleats/Parts. That said I like the pedal redesign. Should be much less prone to wear on the sides of the pedal body. Will be interesting to see if Wahoo also resurrects the cleat extender base plate kit.

merlinextraligh

I bought Speedplay X pedals in 1991, mostly because the plastic cleats in look/Shimano pedals would release unintentionally, particularly if you let the cleat wear a bit. Stayed with them because the ease of clipping in and cornering angle was great for crits.

30 years later I still have several pairs. They’ve run their useful life, RIP.

bruce19

I read that their pedal/PM will cost around $1,000. I'm not interested in spending $1,000 to find out I have no power.

Nachoman

Me too. It took quite a while, the better part of a decade, for me to convert all my bikes from X to zeros.

Sy Reene

Happened to only now just notice: The "Comp" vs "Zero" (aka CroMo vs SS) weight difference is only 10g for the pair (5g per pedal), but $80 difference. Aside from this, is there any likely other functional or durability difference expected? Are the CroMo (ie. Comp) versions more susceptible to rust?

Thought I remembered a much larger weight difference difference, but maybe it was in the X series X2 vs X3 ?

cuevélo

It was 5g per pedal before as well.
Yes.
It looks like X5 was 11g heavier per pedal than X2.

Sy Reene

Thanks for the rundown. So the CroMo is just the spindle though? Pedal portion and internals are all the same?
X series also had a different construction between the X5 and X2 (for whatever reason.. so the 3rd party replacement spindles for an X2 couldn't be used on an X5). That was a strong reason to pay more for the X2 IMO. Not so for the Zeros.. I think the same spindles/replacements could be used. Unsure what Wahoo did in their redesigns though.

cuevélo

Yeah, the X series had different bearings between X1/X2 and X5.

Given the simplification of the line, I would assume that all of the new Zeros have the same pedal body and bearing dimensions, but I haven't seen any information about it. I think that the biggest reason for the stainless spindle is because they're pretty, and more resistant to bearing damage if you occasionally ride in the wet. Maybe with the new seals the second benefit is no longer real.

Edit: and here's the link to the X series weights I meant to post before.