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Old 10-28-19, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I think the point is that you don't need a license to ride a bike, electric or otherwise.
No, I'm pretty sure that's not the point. But even if it is it was made badly. High powered motor vehicles don't get a license pass simply because you attach pedals to them.

In reading back, now I don't get whether these indirect inferences are to be taken seriously or just plain sarcasm.

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Old 10-28-19, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
You don't need a license to get a DUI. Even on a bicycles its still illegal.
Yes and its illegal on lawn tractors too. Drunks who have had licenses taken away have thought they could get away with that too. Its illegal either way but the average person who has a drinking addiction doesn't check out the law. They think they can get away with it and thats about as far as the thought process goes.
I'm concerned with what happens with the e-bikes I've seen coming up fast in the bike lane that have a huge SUV make a right hand turn in front of them. Somebody is going to kill an E-cyclist and they will get manslaughter charges but essentially the E-bike was illegally passing on the right and approaching at a speed the motorist doesn't expect.
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Old 10-28-19, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
. Connecticut has the strictest requirement, requiring operators and passengers for all classes of e-bikes to wear protective headgear.
That's just bizarre since you don't need one on a motorcycle.
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I believe that any vehicle that operates under its own power (not "pedal assist") must be DOT (lights, brakes etc). You just don't have to get a "motorcycle" license endorsement under 50 cc.
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Old 10-29-19, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Is this really going to become a thing on BF? I'm out of here if, or when, a majority of posts become about e-bikes and what is wrong with them.
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Here's a post about e-bikes and what is wrong with them.

E-bikes are bicycles with an electric motor. Sometimes they break or run out of power, then they are just exceptionally heavy bicycles. If the motor is of sufficient power, they can reach speeds and carry loads that render their use on a MUP dangerous.
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Didn't you accuse me of the arrogance of personal viewpoints applied generally? I haven't seen many e-bikes limping home under pedal power. Nor have I seen many e-bikes terrorizing MUP's. Seems like most e-bike riders know better than to take them on MUP's or off-road unless they are designed for that purpose. I guess you don't like e-bikes. <shrug> I doubt the people (more and more everyday) care what you think about it.
Woosh!!!!!! Get someone to explain the joke to you.

And no, I don't even know what "the arrogance of personal viewpoints applied generally" is supposed to mean. I said you were arrogant when you told me how I'd feel about a prison sentence if a loved one of mine was hit by a truck, a rhetorical ploy that is odious on multiple levels.

Now you're speaking for "the people (more and more everyday)" ?! Your buffoonish tantrums are hilarious!

And just to be clear, I have seen two incidents of clearly overpowered/very heavy ebikes on one of the busiest MUPs in the nation. I've also seen hundreds of normally powered ones there. Please note that I have never complained about the normal ones.
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Old 10-29-19, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
No, I'm pretty sure that's not the point. But even if it is it was made badly. High powered motor vehicles don't get a license pass simply because you attach pedals to them.

In reading back, now I don't get whether these indirect inferences are to be taken seriously or just plain sarcasm.

The point is that if you don't need a license, a dui bust doesn't prevent you from going out and riding the bike the day after your conviction, while driving on the suspended license is a crime. If the law allows too much power on unlicensed ebikes, obviously it could become a dui suspension loophole.
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Old 10-29-19, 05:05 PM
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I could see the concern for drunks now being on e-bikes because they have had the DL revoked. I'm sure its happening.
I actually don't care about drunks on bicycle, e-bikes, or motorcycles.

on 4 wheels (or 3) there is no balance, all they need to do is throttle it.

where as on 2 wheels, they are sooner to crash and hurt themselves, before they get far enough to hurt someone else. If they don't loose balance, then it stands to reason they are probably capable. Minus running stop signs. Which I look left and right anyways, even if I have the right away because I don't even have faith in sober people operating machines.
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Old 10-29-19, 06:37 PM
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That's just bizarre since you don't need one on a motorcycle.
True. The motorcycle lobby is much bigger than the e-bike lobby.
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Old 10-29-19, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Metieval View Post
I actually don't care about drunks on bicycle, e-bikes, or motorcycles.

on 4 wheels (or 3) there is no balance, all they need to do is throttle it.

where as on 2 wheels, they are sooner to crash and hurt themselves, before they get far enough to hurt someone else. If they don't loose balance, then it stands to reason they are probably capable. Minus running stop signs. Which I look left and right anyways, even if I have the right away because I don't even have faith in sober people operating machines.
I think anyone who is drunk and operating a vehicle capable of injuring or killing someone is a serious problem.
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Old 10-29-19, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
I think anyone who is drunk and operating a vehicle capable of injuring or killing someone is a serious problem.
As of now.... I can't seem to find a pedal assist E-bike Drunk accident that harmed someone in the news. Unlike 4 wheel car drunk drivers.

So either the people that can afford a 3-5 thousand dollar pedal assist bicycle are too smart to drink/ride, or people that are drunk enough to harm people are too drunk to ride on 2 wheels.
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Old 10-30-19, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Metieval View Post
As of now.... I can't seem to find a pedal assist E-bike Drunk accident that harmed someone in the news. Unlike 4 wheel car drunk drivers.

So either the people that can afford a 3-5 thousand dollar pedal assist bicycle are too smart to drink/ride, or people that are drunk enough to harm people are too drunk to ride on 2 wheels.
Not much of a student of probability, are you? Compare the numbers of cars and trucks on the road at any given time vs. the number of e-assist bikes and the number of years that each type of vehicle has been commonly found.

It's certainly possible to kill someone on a motorcycle by riding drunk--see https://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...-7/3976342002/

I think having pedal assist up to 20 mph probably doesn't increase the risk to the public caused by drunk riding to anything especially significant, but there's no doubt the higher the MPH, the bigger the threat.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Not much of a student of probability, are you?
I like Probability, Unfortunately the argument that destroys probability, is off limits to post here on BF.
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Old 10-30-19, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Metieval View Post
I like Probability, Unfortunately the argument that destroys probability, is off limits to post here on BF.
Well, I can't argue with that.

A friend of mine just had a very interesting experience where a junkie on a bike somehow managed to pass out under her moving car. He was unhurt, but his bike was a little damaged. A cop witnessed the whole thing, and let the disoriented fellow just ride off, which he was very anxious to do. He really had no idea why everyone was suddenly talking to him and what had just happened (no, he didn't hit his head). No report was taken and my friend was very puzzled by the whole incident when the cop told her to just leave the scene. I think that's a pretty good example of how seriously cops take BUI.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Well, I can't argue with that.

A friend of mine just had a very interesting experience where a junkie on a bike somehow managed to pass out under her moving car. He was unhurt, but his bike was a little damaged. A cop witnessed the whole thing, and let the disoriented fellow just ride off, which he was very anxious to do. He really had no idea why everyone was suddenly talking to him and what had just happened (no, he didn't hit his head). No report was taken and my friend was very puzzled by the whole incident when the cop told her to just leave the scene. I think that's a pretty good example of how seriously cops take BUI.
OMG , your friend almost died!!!!
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Originally Posted by Metieval View Post
OMG , your friend almost died!!!!
Uhh, no, not the point. I'm agreeing that drunk bicyclists are mostly threats to themselves, and that law enforcement treats them accordingly.

I do think someone that out of it is probably a threat to pedestrians, however. Just not a very big one because his inebriation probably makes it difficult to maintain anything but a really slow speed. Put a motor on that guy's bike, though, and I think the story could be quite different.
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Uhh, no, not the point. I'm agreeing that drunk bicyclists are mostly threats to themselves, and that law enforcement treats them accordingly.

I do think someone that out of it is probably a threat to pedestrians, however. Just not a very big one because his inebriation probably makes it difficult to maintain anything but a really slow speed. Put a motor on that guy's bike, though, and I think the story could be quite different.
the Probability that he makes it far enough to hurt someone else before hurting himself. Is what?
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Originally Posted by Metieval View Post
the Probability that he makes it far enough to hurt someone else before hurting himself. Is what?
A lot higher if the bike is propelling itself with him on it rather than him providing the propulsion.

People manage to walk to the car when they're quite drunk. I'm pretty sure that walking requires more coordination than sitting on a powered bike.

Look, you already said you can't post your real argument, so I posted the story to illustrate something else, not to keep arguing with you. I'm really not interested in going any further with this as now we're just going to make up numbers and multiply them by each other. Have a nice day.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
A lot higher if the bike is propelling itself with him on it rather than him providing the propulsion.
yeah that is what I love the most about 2 wheeled vehicles. The self balancing!

Next year they will make self steering 2 wheeled vehicles and then we can just read books while riding on them.
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yeah that is what I love the most about 2 wheeled vehicles. The self balancing!

Next year they will make self steering 2 wheeled vehicles and then we can just read books while riding on them.
Actually, they are self-balancing:


Surprised you didn't know that.
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Perfect for going down straight sidewalks, to hit pedestrians with. Oh wait it self steered into a tree first.

There might be a reason they made that video in an open field vs down a sidewalk.
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My only concern with e-bikes is with huge heavy ones with 5-inch tires coming towards me at 30-40 mph in the opposing lane on the beach bike path. Many of them not even pedaling and riding hands-free and /or looking at phone. These are not legal and very dangerous.

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So far, the main issue with e-bikes seems to be people's imagination.
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Perfect for going down straight sidewalks, to hit pedestrians with. Oh wait it self steered into a tree first.

There might be a reason they made that video in an open field vs down a sidewalk.
Point is balancing a bike is something a drunk person can do. You're assuming something that just isn't true when you claim otherwise.

Small children can keep a bike upright for quite some distance. Drunk people do it all the time. It's adorable that you think it requires so much coordination that any significant level of intoxication will prevent someone from riding a motorized bike, but there's literally no reason to believe that the ability to balance will be impaired before someone's ability to steer and/or their judgment. Point is a person can operate a two wheeled vehicle badly for quite some distance, not that there aren't a bunch of riderless bikes, which you posed as a straw man. I was just showing your incompetence at creating a straw man since you chose the phrase "self-balancing."
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So far, the main issue with e-bikes seems to be people's imagination.
So, if you have a bunch of powered vehicles capable of road speeds greater than 30 mph that you can ride without a license, do you think "DUI suspension loophole" is a huge stretch ? Regulation requires anticipating obvious issues before they become commonplace.
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So, if you have a bunch of powered vehicles capable of road speeds greater than 30 mph that you can ride without a license, do you think "DUI suspension loophole" is a huge stretch ?
I do think that the idea that we will get a bunch of drunk people terrorizing the country on e-bikes is a bit of a stretch, yes.
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