Notices
Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area Looking to enter into the realm of track racing? Want to share your experiences and tactics for riding on a velodrome? The Track Cycling forums is for you! Come in and discuss training/racing, equipment, and current track cycling events.

Interesting finds around the web

Old 02-10-20, 10:22 AM
  #2701  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,874
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 250 Times in 167 Posts
Saw the new Dolan is on the list of UCI-approved frames for the Olympics. (Dixie Flyer posted it on Facebook, as its Hellyer bar is on the approved list.) It was listed as Dolan Styx/ FM-866.

Thought that was interesting as FM-XXX seems to be the standard labeling for "open mold" China frames. Still, my google search from FM-866 did not yield any hits.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 02-10-20, 12:00 PM
  #2702  
Deef1908
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Den helder the netherlands
Posts: 7

Bikes: Sensa romanga Shimano 105 , Scott foil ultegraR8000 , Prorace Rapide ultegra 6800

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Saw that list too on Instagram , there is also somechanges to the df4 frame too
Deef1908 is offline  
Old 02-10-20, 01:03 PM
  #2703  
carleton
Elitist
Thread Starter
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,848
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 37 Posts
Is Dolan "phoning it in" by using a Chinese open-mold frame?
carleton is offline  
Old 02-11-20, 08:49 AM
  #2704  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,874
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 250 Times in 167 Posts
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Is Dolan "phoning it in" by using a Chinese open-mold frame?
Maybe. I don't know what it takes to design a new frame these days, especially when you consider some of the outrageous new designs we are seeing.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 02-11-20, 11:36 AM
  #2705  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Will be interesting to see who is using Citec disc wheels.
they are a small company from the Berlin region (In my training area Brandenburg) and they produce everything in house.
construction is like the old ghibli disc wheels.
come out stiff and light, they do one with a textreme style skin that is around 730gr..
SynergyPro is offline  
Old 02-11-20, 11:48 AM
  #2706  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Regarding the Df4, I guess no change.
There is a lot of old stuff on the list... probably stuff that existed before the new rules just had to be submitted and not specifically ridden in a World Cup. Cervelo T4 and T5 are on there (Hope/lotus same debacle as t5?!) and some pretty standard deda stems and a fabric saddle.

interesting are products, mainly extensions made by ero? Probably custom bent extensions for the Canadians.
SynergyPro is offline  
Old 02-11-20, 12:59 PM
  #2707  
Morelock
Senior Member
 
Morelock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 547
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by SynergyPro View Post
Regarding the Df4, I guess no change.
There is a lot of old stuff on the list... probably stuff that existed before the new rules just had to be submitted and not specifically ridden in a World Cup. Cervelo T4 and T5 are on there (Hope/lotus same debacle as t5?!) and some pretty standard deda stems and a fabric saddle.

interesting are products, mainly extensions made by ero? Probably custom bent extensions for the Canadians.
I believe Len (Lochmiller) has been working on some bars for ERO (and likely US/CAN pursuit) - likely similar to the Wattshop/etc ones.
Morelock is offline  
Old 02-15-20, 08:01 AM
  #2708  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
The Argon18 electron is updated. Will try to get photos at worlds.
Different fork and some modification to the Seat junction as far as I can tell for now.
SynergyPro is offline  
Old 02-15-20, 06:09 PM
  #2709  
Velo Bike
Junior Member
 
Velo Bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 6
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by SynergyPro View Post
The Argon18 electron is updated. Will try to get photos at worlds.
Different fork and some modification to the Seat junction as far as I can tell for now.
the Australian Argon18ís have a narrow fork to match their new Zipp discs, and a massive gusset in the top tube and seat tube with a pocket in it to fit an SRM and Crank info power meter.
Velo Bike is offline  
Old 02-17-20, 07:59 AM
  #2710  
700wheel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 618
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 138 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 6 Posts
GCN has a video of Viviani's new De Rosa track bike

The Vision Metron tri spoke wheels have interchangeable hub internals that allow the wheels to be switched front to back. Sounds like a great innovation which allows travel with just one spare wheel.

Update: More on this bike here: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/new...ur-down-under/

Last edited by 700wheel; 02-17-20 at 01:40 PM. Reason: Update
700wheel is offline  
Likes For 700wheel:
Old 02-17-20, 02:49 PM
  #2711  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Hate to say it, but assumed it before... itís the pardus/Holdsworth frame
will be interesting to see what heíll really ride in Tokyo.
reason for the 42cm handlebar is that Vision donít produce a more narrow width with 130mm stem. Although vision 42 measures 40 c-c at the tops (Italian...)

Mavic had interchangeable hubs on the 3G, but I think nobody else toyed with the idea anymore.

Last edited by SynergyPro; 02-17-20 at 02:52 PM.
SynergyPro is offline  
Old 02-17-20, 03:42 PM
  #2712  
queerpunk
aka mattio
 
queerpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 6,575

Bikes: yes

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 338 Post(s)
Liked 44 Times in 28 Posts
yeah, that's a training bike while he's flying Cofidis colors. The 42cm handlebars give it away. In Tokyo I assume he'll be on a Pinarello.
queerpunk is offline  
Old 02-18-20, 02:00 PM
  #2713  
carleton
Elitist
Thread Starter
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,848
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 37 Posts
Update:

My "Track Cycling Stopwatch for iPad" is now available again. I updated the code to work for iOS 13 which caused crashes. For what it's worth, the app worked fine, but some of the code features I was using were deprecated (no longer supported) in iOS 13. That's what caused the instability for people who upgraded to iOS 13.

I just got the message from Apple that it was approved. If you don't see it in the store now for download, give it an hour or so to be put on servers around the world and made available.
carleton is offline  
Likes For carleton:
Old 02-19-20, 01:22 PM
  #2714  
Deef1908
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Den helder the netherlands
Posts: 7

Bikes: Sensa romanga Shimano 105 , Scott foil ultegraR8000 , Prorace Rapide ultegra 6800

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SynergyPro View Post
Hate to say it, but assumed it before... it’s the pardus/Holdsworth frame
will be interesting to see what he’ll really ride in Tokyo.
reason for the 42cm handlebar is that Vision don’t produce a more narrow width with 130mm stem. Although vision 42 measures 40 c-c at the tops (Italian...)

Mavic had interchangeable hubs on the 3G, but I think nobody else toyed with the idea anymore.
funny you see that about his frame , some also said the same about Vivani s frame on YouTube from the GCN video that it looked like the Holdsworth frame
Deef1908 is offline  
Old 02-19-20, 03:35 PM
  #2715  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Deef1908 View Post
funny you see that about his frame , some also said the same about Vivani s frame on YouTube from the GCN video that it looked like the Holdsworth frame
It just is... itís a nice frame though. Ordered one for myself (never built it up, because I got a good deal on a cervelo)
just disappointed itís not a nice Italian handmade frame, what you would expect with the derosa name Tag.

to fill this post with at least some news...
Iím pretty sure the same factory that makes this frame also produces Argon 18.
same seatpost clamp, seatpost and qc stickers/numbers.
also finishing looks very similar and I got information from someone who visited the factory in China (taishan sports).
SynergyPro is offline  
Likes For SynergyPro:
Old 02-21-20, 12:27 PM
  #2716  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
https://www.argon18.com/en/stories/a...0-electron-pro

press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Info up on the web at Friday....
SynergyPro is offline  
Old 02-21-20, 02:52 PM
  #2717  
carleton
Elitist
Thread Starter
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,848
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 37 Posts
Originally Posted by SynergyPro View Post
https://www.argon18.com/en/stories/a...0-electron-pro

press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Info up on the web at Friday....
MSRP: $18,000 USD Ė includes pursuit and sprint cockpit, standard and narrow fork, and Zipp wheelset
At that price, why make one frame for sprint and pursuit? The reference LOOKs come in sprint and pursuit variants. Both at around $10K each.

At this level of the sport, why are teams settling for this one-frame-for-all approach?

This is like everyone on the Olympic Track & Field (Athletics) team wearing the same shoes. (Iím being hyperbolic, but you get my point).
carleton is offline  
Old 02-22-20, 12:39 AM
  #2718  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Yes thatís interesting! But also track geometry changed... we see less steep angles and longer wheelbases.

the only difference with the Look T20 speed or TT is the handlebar. Geometry is the same and also weight as far as I can tell.both are made of ďvery high modulus CarbonĒ.
The T20 has a lot of similarities to the Argon 18 and with a touch under 8000$ is a bargain (still have to source wheels for through axles)
SynergyPro is offline  
Old 02-22-20, 04:18 AM
  #2719  
carleton
Elitist
Thread Starter
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,848
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 37 Posts
Originally Posted by SynergyPro View Post
Yes that’s interesting! But also track geometry changed... we see less steep angles and longer wheelbases.

the only difference with the Look T20 speed or TT is the handlebar. Geometry is the same and also weight as far as I can tell.both are made of “very high modulus Carbon”.
The T20 has a lot of similarities to the Argon 18 and with a touch under 8000$ is a bargain (still have to source wheels for through axles)
You are right. The current LOOK bikes have the same geometry*. I wasn't up on the latest offerings. Thanks for the correction.

I was referring to the older generation. The LOOK 496 (sprint) and 596 (pursuit):




One neat feature about the new LOOK geometry...they finally have a frame larger than a 56cm TT. Looks like it's 61cm (60.99cm). Nice. Finally. I've been wondering why they haven't done that for years. That's on par with Felt's largest TK.
carleton is offline  
Old 02-22-20, 04:22 AM
  #2720  
carleton
Elitist
Thread Starter
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 15,848
Mentioned: 88 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 37 Posts
When LOOK did offer the 2 frames above, I did notice that there were several top pursuit riders who opted for the 596 over the more sprint (or all-around) 496:





I imagine that they chose this frame for the different features offered over the 496.

Last edited by carleton; 02-22-20 at 04:26 AM.
carleton is offline  
Old 02-22-20, 09:03 AM
  #2721  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,874
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 250 Times in 167 Posts
Originally Posted by SynergyPro View Post
https://www.argon18.com/en/stories/a...0-electron-pro

press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Info up on the web at Friday....
$18k is a lot, but at least you get two forks, two sets of bars, and a set of wheels.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 02-25-20, 10:20 AM
  #2722  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,874
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 250 Times in 167 Posts
The new Argon bike also apparently includes an integrated data logger and timing chip. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by "data logger," but Argon a few years ago had developed a system for measuring aero drag on their TT bikes. Maybe that's included?
topflightpro is offline  
Old 02-25-20, 11:10 AM
  #2723  
Morelock
Senior Member
 
Morelock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 547
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 17 Posts
Argon's system turned into the Notio. I've still got a broken prototype in my garage
Morelock is offline  
Old 02-25-20, 12:10 PM
  #2724  
topflightpro
Senior Member
 
topflightpro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,874
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1523 Post(s)
Liked 250 Times in 167 Posts
Well if it works and is included with the bike, that would be a pretty cool addition and helps justify the $18k price tag.
topflightpro is offline  
Old 02-25-20, 01:55 PM
  #2725  
SynergyPro
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 30
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
The notio alone is around 950Ä.

i think with data logger itís a inbuilt ant+ computer, but without screen. since they use srm, probably the modified srm protocol.

Quarq had something like that, it was able to capture more data packages in a second and was installed behind the seatpost.
Also the FES powermeter works likes this, captures torque and rpm a couple times a second, data needs to be downloaded after the ride.

I should be able to catch a close look at the Argon 18 tomorrow.
SynergyPro is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.