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Old 04-15-20, 08:43 PM
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Yikes, it's a zombie apocalypse

https://www.dispatch.com/news/202004...e-opening-ohio

That's some interesting social distancing going on there...
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People can only take so much. I believe civil unrest is going to happen. This isn’t North Korea.
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It's ok, they don't have any 5G there.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
People can only take so much. I believe civil unrest is going to happen. This isn’t North Korea.
No Coronavirus in North Korea. Their Governement said so. That being said there is something to be said for not being complete individualistic idiots. The only thing I can think of (dons tinfoil hat) is that somebody is stirring up the masses to once again do something that is against their best interests. Along the conspiracy spectrum from those who have realised the virus is disproportionately affecting the poor and minorities, so let it rip... all the way to some kind of Margret Attwood style Gilead, where the virus is so rampant in the USA the borders have to be kept closed to the rest of the world. Dunno, seems to be the main place in the world where people are going let it rip...
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Gotta laugh at the folks wearing the Guy Fawkes masks, alongside the magas. Way to miss the point, wannabe Anons.

Wait 'til the country "re-opens." Then the second wave will hit. Then the third. Hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's gonna get ugly, not just with deaths from COVID-19, but with loonies who get sick but survive and develop antibodies. They're gonna be ripe for radicalizing, epiphanies and delusions of grandeur, believing they're the Chosen Ones. Watch for all kinds of militarized cults to emerge from this mess. It's happened before, many times, from far less serious cultural paradigm shifts, natural disasters and epidemics.
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What is 5g? I only get one bar on my cell phone and this satellite internet is slow. I was a cult leader a few years ago and believe me it’s overrated but yeah I’m waiting for the looneys to emerge so I will just ride my bike everyday to keep a clear mind and just observe.
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What else would one expect? Move along please.... I have things to do.

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Careful navigating and cycling though your town. Above it all, look at the bright side during COVID19 season and please remain civil.

One of the best ways to protect these people is to reduce overcrowding in correctional facilities. Some jails are already making these changes:



In Cumberland County, Maine, the sheriff reports that the jail population has decreased by 25% since January, due in large part to release of people who were held for “low level, nonviolent crimes” with less than 90 days left on their sentences. (April 15)



After an April 3rd ruling from the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, almost 300 people were released from jails across the state. (April 14)



Multnomah County Jail in Oregon has reduced their jail population by about 30% in the past month by reducing arrests and increasing early and pretrial releases. (April 14)



A judge in the Bronx approved the release of 51 people jailed for alleged parole violations on Rikers Island in New York City. (April 13)



65 people have been released early from the Westchester County Jail in Valhalla, New York, following discussions between the District Attorney and the Legal Aid Society of Westchester. (April 13)



A judge in Georgia ordered the release of over 100 people being held at the Dekalb County Jail, decreasing the jail’s population by a reported 7%. (April 13)



Between 150 and 350 people (almost a quarter of the jail population) are set to be released on April 13 from the Stanislaus County Jail in California following a statewide emergency bail schedule that reduced money bail to $0 for “most misdemeanor and some low-level felony offenses.” (April 12)



In Alabama, Mobile Metro Jail’s population decreased from 1,580 to 1,100 in four weeks. The people who were released were charged with nonviolent offenses, over 55 years old, or had preexisting medical conditions that made them particularly vulnerable to COVID-19. (April 10)



Wayne County Jail in Detroit, Michigan has seen the jail population decrease by over 400 people since March 10th. This is primarily the result of the jail releasing people being held for misdemeanor offenses, as well as a reduction in arrests, serving warrants, and court hearings. (April 7)



More than 100 people have been released from Boulder County Jail in Colorado following efforts from the district attorney’s office to reduce the jail population based on preexisting medical conditions and utilizing personal recognizance bonds. (April 4)



In Marin County, California, 40 people were released from jail on Friday April 3rd and the sheriff, courts, prosecutors, and defenders plan to review other cases for potential releases. (April 3)



The Hawaii State Office of the Public Defender asked for the release of over 400 people detained in local jails. In response, the Hawaii Supreme Court has appointed a special master to coordinate potential releases with public defenders and prosecutors. (April 2)



County jails in the Detroit, Michigan area have released hundreds of people in the past few days, with sentencing judges making the final determinations of who can be released. Wayne County Jail released 384 people and the Oakland County Jail population has decreased by over 150 people since March 24th. (April 1)



Over the course of the month of March, West Virginia jails have reduced their overall population by over 600 people. (April 1)



A Pennsylvania District Court judge ordered ICE to release more than 10 people being detained at the York County Prison, Clinton County Correctional Facility, and Pike County Correctional Facility because they are at elevated risk for serious complications from COVID-19. (March 31)



The Legal Aid Society in NYC secured the immediate release of over 100 individuals held at Rikers Island on non-criminal, technical parole violations. (March 27)



In Allegheny County, PA, 545 people held in the county jail were approved for release by the courts and physically discharged from custody. (March 27)



In New Orleans, Louisiana, the District Court judges have issued orders calling for the immediate release of people held in the New Orleans jail awaiting trial for misdemeanors, arrested for failure to appear at probation status hearing, detained in contempt of court, or detained for failing a drug test while on bond. (March 26)



New York City has released 200 people from Rikers Island in the past week, and expects to release another 175 people before the weekend. (March 26)



The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has reduced their jail population by 10% in the past month to mitigate the risk of virus transmission in crowded jails. To reduce the jail population by 1,700 people, the Sheriff reports releasing people with less than 30 days left on their sentences and the Department is considering releasing pregnant women and older adults at high risk. (March 24)



New Jersey Chief Justice Stuart Rabner signed an order calling for the temporary release of 1,000 people from jails(almost a tenth of the entire state's county jail population) across the state of New Jersey who are serving county jail sentences for probation violations, municipal court convictions, "low-level indictable crimes," and "disorderly persons offenses. (March 23)



In Salt Lake County, Utah, the District Attorney reported that the county jail plans to release at least 90 people this week and to conduct another set of releases of up to 100 more people in the next week. (March 21)



In Arizona, the Coconino County court system and jail have released around 50 people who were held in the county jail on non-violent charges. (March 20)



More than 85 people (almost 7% of the jail's population) have been released from the Greenville County Detention Center in Greenville, South Carolina, following a state order from the Supreme Court Chief Justice Donald Beatty urging South Carolina judicial circuits to avoid issuing bench warrants and start releasing people charged with non-violent offenses. (March 20)



In Hillsborough County, Florida, over 160 people were released following authorization via administrative order for people accused of ordinance violations, misdemeanors, traffic offenses, and third degree felonies. (March 19)



Court orders in Spokane, Washington and in three counties in Alabama have authorized the release of people being held pretrial and some people serving sentences for "low-level" misdemeanor offenses. (March 17 and March 18)



In Travis County, Texas, judges have begun to release more people from local jails on personal bonds (about 50% more often than usual), focusing on preventing people with health issues who are charged with non-violent offenses from going into the jail system. (March 16)



Ohio courts in Cuyahoga County and Hamilton County have begun to issue court orders and conduct special hearings to increase the number of people released from local jails. On a single day, judges released 38 people from the Cuyahoga County Jail, and they hope to release at least 200 more people charged with low-level, non-violent crimes. (March 14 and March 16)



District attorneys in San Francisco, California and Boulder, Colorado have taken steps to release people held pretrial, with limited time left on their sentence, and charged with non-violent offenses. (March 11 and March 16)
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Looks like it's time to put down the pipe, and give your mind a little time to start to make coherent thoughts again...
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George Romero nailed it with the original Dawn of the Dead. Not much difference between shopping mall zombies, Black Friday mindless consumerism and the hordes who think a force of nature is infringing on their civil liberties.
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Well, it is infringing on civil liberties, it just isn't something that cares about that. If it did, I'd imagine it would be promoting free concerts and sales tax holidays to get folks as packed together as possible.

I'm astonished at the fatalism on display, "you're going to catch it anyway, may as well get it over and done with. It's only 2-5x more likely to kill you than the flu."
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
People can only take so much. I believe civil unrest is going to happen. This isn’t North Korea.
keep telling yourself that & it will happen. try to tell yourself better things. like how to help solve the problems that pop up. the bug-out preppers are probably losing their minds right now. those are the ppl I fear. we don't have as many up here, but we have them. there's a guy 1 mile from my house, who has his own tank. with the treads & canon! a real tank! a small one but it's a tank! don't know the brand & model. his business is across the street from our local grocery store
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This situation has a potential to become a full blown SHTF scenario, it hasn't happened yet but the possibility is there...The governments are committing an economic genocide and if this goes on for too long how are people going to survive ??
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This situation has a potential to become a full blown SHTF scenario, it hasn't happened yet but the possibility is there...The governments are committing an economic genocide and if this goes on for too long how are people going to survive ??
Unknot your panties and stop panicking. We haven't lost vast swathes of arable land to an invading ocean/firestorm/nuclear detonation/invicible alien invaders. We still have water, infrastructure, crops, food production facilities, electricity, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. We'd be much worse off if we were facing an acute localized disruption. Think the siege of Stalingrad, or Aleppo, or Berlin. If you don't have money, that's what those social programs are for. This year will be terrible for investors, but the bedrock of the economic system, food production, will pull through. I'd bet that there's plenty of opportunity to recover losses later in the year as the markets realign themselves.
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The governments are committing an economic genocide and if this goes on for too long how are people going to survive ??
the governments aren't in control, the virus is
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the bedrock of the economic system, food production, will pull through.
& the bedrock of society, is the family unit
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This situation has a potential to become a full blown SHTF scenario, it hasn't happened yet but the possibility is there...The governments are committing an economic genocide and if this goes on for too long how are people going to survive ??
Stark choice: Economic Genocide or Genocide Genocide.
Thing is, what is the economic genocide and how could it be solved? Bailouts. Problem is the bailouts shouldn't be trickling down, they should be trickling up. Give everybody a basic income while this is going on. Pay companies to keep workers on the books, per worker. Those workers have to live and feed their families. So they spend that money in local stores and the money circulates in the economy and eventually reaches the companies that need it. Bail out big companies and the money goes straight to paying the interest on all the loans they took out, to carry out all those share buy backs they did to keep their share prices and executive bonuses up. Some companies are essential, like airlines and freight companies, government takes equity away from the owners and shareholders in order to prop them up. If the owners want to take the benefits of the good times then they need to take the pain of bad times, either by being prepared for bad times or by loosing some of their equity.
Incidentally it may be there's no such thing as "just open the economy back up" there are already several food production plants in the USA that have closed because it's impossible to social distance in them and Covid-19 has already killed or disabled too many staff.
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Stark choice: Economic Genocide or Genocide Genocide.
Thing is, what is the economic genocide and how could it be solved? Bailouts. Problem is the bailouts shouldn't be trickling down, they should be trickling up. Give everybody a basic income while this is going on. Pay companies to keep workers on the books, per worker. Those workers have to live and feed their families. So they spend that money in local stores and the money circulates in the economy and eventually reaches the companies that need it. Bail out big companies and the money goes straight to paying the interest on all the loans they took out, to carry out all those share buy backs they did to keep their share prices and executive bonuses up. Some companies are essential, like airlines and freight companies, government takes equity away from the owners and shareholders in order to prop them up. If the owners want to take the benefits of the good times then they need to take the pain of bad times, either by being prepared for bad times or by loosing some of their equity.
Incidentally it may be there's no such thing as "just open the economy back up" there are already several food production plants in the USA that have closed because it's impossible to social distance in them and Covid-19 has already killed or disabled too many staff.
I agree with the evaluation, though I disagree that it's a problem. Cheap meat is no longer a boon, and is burdening society. We don't have children and individuals suffering from protein deprivation, we have poor quality protein clogging arteries and contributing to a mindset that meat with every meal is necessary, or an American right. Eat more beans, legumes, and mushrooms. Fill up on veggies, not fat.
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I'm astonished at the fatalism on display, "you're going to catch it anyway, may as well get it over and done with. It's only 2-5x more likely to kill you than the flu."
...if this astonishes you, you haven't been following the 2A threads in teh P+R for very long. The same arguments will be made, by the same people, and for the same purposes. That's all I'm gonna say outside the warm, safe, comforting environment of teh P+R.
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I agree with the evaluation, though I disagree that it's a problem. Cheap meat is no longer a boon, and is burdening society. We don't have children and individuals suffering from protein deprivation, we have poor quality protein clogging arteries and contributing to a mindset that meat with every meal is necessary, or an American right. Eat more beans, legumes, and mushrooms. Fill up on veggies, not fat.
...when BACON is outlawed, only outlaws will HAVE BACON !
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Unknot your panties and stop panicking. We haven't lost vast swathes of arable land to an invading ocean/firestorm/nuclear detonation/invicible alien invaders. We still have water, infrastructure, crops, food production facilities, electricity, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum. We'd be much worse off if we were facing an acute localized disruption. Think the siege of Stalingrad, or Aleppo, or Berlin. If you don't have money, that's what those social programs are for. This year will be terrible for investors, but the bedrock of the economic system, food production, will pull through. I'd bet that there's plenty of opportunity to recover losses later in the year as the markets realign themselves.
...while I agree with your overall assessment of food production resources, I disagree that some of the smaller specialty growers I know of around here will be able to weather this storm. They were not making vast sums of net profit anyway, and when your business model supply chain shifts drastically, there are always some casualties. Some of them are just gonna say , "**** it. Let's fallow what we can, get some other job for a year or two, and see how it shakes out. Cheaper than planting and harvesting a crop I can't sell." Some of them are stuck, like the orchard guys. But I've already witnessed the disappearance of a few regulars who grow row crops at my local farmers market. Will they be back ? I hope so.
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3alarmer OH good, you're here!
Your jagoff post got my list closed! So here's a new one: It's a plan-demic. Gates and Fauci warned about a pandemic, and now we have one! Why didn't they stop it?!

EDIT: that wasn't you, it was Seattle Forrest. DERP.

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I was trying to find a historical reference to Patrick Henry's famous words, "Give Me Safety, or Give Me Death". Couldn't find that reference. Must have been a typo in the History books.

Fear not... Henry's spirit is kept well enough alive by the average captive American, but his words modernized to "Give Me the Remote, or Give Me Death".
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3alarmer OH good, you're here!
Your jagoff post got my list closed! So here's a new one: It's a plan-demic. Gates and Fauci warned about a pandemic, and now we have one! Why didn't they stop it?!

EDIT: that wasn't you, it was Seattle Forrest. DERP.
...I accept this as your apology, although I am troubled that you would immediately assume it was me.
You simply became collateral damage to an enforcement. Enforcements in teh P+R always tend to be a little random.

Whichever moderator happens to be on duty at a particular time often wades in with no sense of context. It's a lot like when you kids act up and you just punish everyone, because everyone is guilty of something, somewhere along the way.

That's what makes it exciting and fresh.
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