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Turns out clipless pedals no better than flat pedals

Old 06-30-20, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee View Post
According to this Youtuber who cited a bunch of studies:
The video definitely did not conclude that "clipless pedals no better than flat pedals".
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Old 06-30-20, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
You know what’s really inefficient? Having your foot come off the pedal unexpectedly.
If your foot dont come off the pedal when you forget to unclipp, you may end up in tears.
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Old 06-30-20, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jv_247 View Post
If your foot dont come off the pedal when you forget to unclipp, you may end up in tears.
True. But old guys like me who started with actual clips and straps tend not to forget because it is so incredibly easier with clipless.
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Old 06-30-20, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jv_247 View Post
If your foot dont come off the pedal when you forget to unclipp, you may end up in tears.
I've fallen over clipped or strapped in many times over the past 50 years. If you accept you just made a fool of yourself, relax and rotate your knee and elbow out a little so they hit first and keep your hands on the handlebars, not a whole lot happens. A couple of minor bruises. So far, rarely any broken skin. no broken bones, no medical visits, no ongoing issues and no tears. Completely NOT an issue for me even though it happens. Now that may change as I ride into my 70s and 80s. We'll see.

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Old 06-30-20, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rosefarts View Post
Of all the things that didn't happen, this didn't happen the most.

Sorry, seen it several times, usually sat a traffic light. No, we really didn't have the conversation.
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Old 06-30-20, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Sorry, seen it several times, usually sat a traffic light. No, we really didn't have the conversation.
And then did you wake up?
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Old 06-30-20, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
You know what’s really inefficient? Having your foot come off the pedal unexpectedly.
Riders fault, not the pedals.
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Old 06-30-20, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Riders fault, not the pedals.
I'm guessing some of the riders on this thread never sprint. Or climb steep hills. Or ride over rough ground. Or sprint up steep hills with rough ground (that's for the crossers).

I guess if you can do those things, and have complete assurance that you'll keep your foot on the pedal, you're better rider than I. Chapeau. Clipless pedals are for mere schlubs like me.
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Old 06-30-20, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pdlamb View Post
And then did you wake up?
Denial is strong with this crowd. You've seriously never seen a fumbled clip in? I'm guessing it happens a lot more than the mythical bounce off the platforms.
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Old 06-30-20, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I'm guessing some of the riders on this thread never sprint. Or climb steep hills. Or ride over rough ground. Or sprint up steep hills with rough ground (that's for the crossers).

I guess if you can do those things, and have complete assurance that you'll keep your foot on the pedal, you're better rider than I. Chapeau. Clipless pedals are for mere schlubs like me.

Or maybe if you've done all those things on platforms all your life like I have, you realize there's this thing called gravity that tends to keep your feet on the pedals.

Shocking that if you do something one way, you actually get confident in your abilities to do it and if you don't do it that way, you might have some exaggerated fears.
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Old 06-30-20, 05:18 PM
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So what's everybody's favorite clipless pedal lube?
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Old 06-30-20, 05:37 PM
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I haven’t bothered reading every post. But, these childhood shin scrapers get my vote. Forget all that high tech stuff. Otherwise, blah, blah, blah. Ride what ya like.

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Old 06-30-20, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
So what's everybody's favorite clipless pedal lube?
Finally someone instilling some new and useful questions regarding the topic of pedal types. On my clipless pedals I like to go with ultrasonic waxing with teflon... before every ride. It's a lot of work but the results are well worth it.

Another benefit of flat pedals is they don't need this to be just as fast.
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Old 06-30-20, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Clipless are good for pro racing but they are pointless for commuting or recreational riding.
If you regularly commute in the rain like i do, clipless pedals are anything but pointless. It's nice knowing my shoe is going to stay attached to the pedal as I get out of the saddle to get going after being stopped at a busy intersection in the pouring rain.
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Old 06-30-20, 06:02 PM
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you need larger pedals to give you more even pressure for more comfort. thats why I got these guys for my big size 13,5 feet. makes most shoes work and my feet don't slip and my feet don't bend.

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One can try a simple experiment and decide. Ride with old fashioned clip ins with the strap loose, then tighten the straps down firmly, decide which is more effective/efficient
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Do folks not realize that many people mountain bike in the wet, in the mud, and over insanely rough terrain with flat pedals without slipping off? Climbing, sprinting, in all those conditions.
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I have three bikes with platforms and one with clipless. Two of them are just for casual riding and platforms are good enough for goofing around. I use platforms on the MTB due to my lack of skill/ confidence while offroad and I hate the handicap the platforms impose on me but see them as a necessary evil for now. The clipless pedals on my serious road bike give me positive attachment to the pedals and are definitely superior to the platforms.
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I still ride with toe clips and straps so I feel left out. I will say that I have retired my old leathers and ride a rigid touring shoe without a cleat.

But years ago nothing was more efficient than being strapped to the pedals with cleats firmly locked. It didn’t matter if you were right side up of upside down you could still pedal. And in a crash you could never lose your bike. Usually it just followed you wherever you went, but not always.

But even without cleats, stupidity reigns. About a month ago I pulled out my right foot, like always, stopped, and leaned to the left.

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Old 06-30-20, 07:18 PM
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I just put some shimano spd xtr clipless pedals on my 2021 Specialized Diverge and it seems to help me go faster. Definitely looks cooler lol.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
True. But old guys like me who started with actual clips and straps tend not to forget because it is so incredibly easier with clipless.
This is my experience. I did all my commuting on toe clips with Avocet AV-30 touring shoes. These were excellent shoes that didn't lock you into the pedal like true cleats do. The main problem is my feet would tend to jam into the clips and make my toes a bit sore. Going to clipless, was much easier. I had to unlearn my muscle memory of reaching down to loosen the strap approaching a stop. If you new guys think unclipping at a stop can be hard, just try getting out of toeclips that you have cinched down. Of course the advantage is in stop and go you can leave one strap loose and get out of the pedal easily. The other skill is taking off and flipping the pedal and getting into the clip. But if platforms work for you, go for it. My problem with them, is my habit is to place the pedal at the top and unclip, which means my clipped in foot is on the bottom. So I just lift the pedal without thinking, but to do that on platforms you have to take your foot off and push up from underneath or in front of the pedal. That and I guess I'm just used to being locked in. Never tried pins though. That may be different, but see no reason to find out myself. I do ride stationary bike in running or court shoes. See no relation between that and being on the road. I can see for off road it might be different. I mostly use my toe clips/ touring shoe setup if I go off-road (isn't much these days ).

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Meh. Try getting out of toe clips (EDIT:+ slotted cleats) and straps that you have strapped down and your riding FIXED gear! That's when you learn to do a standstill, which is actually quite easy when your fixed gear.

Modern clipless systems are a doddle.

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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
You know what’s really inefficient? Having your foot come off the pedal unexpectedly.
After I broke my ankle several years ago, I had to use flat pedals (spikey ones with 5/10s work quite well), but I realized I couldn't stand up to climb on hills without the fear of having a foot come off, and it was really holding me back.

One minor thing I noticed is that flat pedals with spikes gives you considerably less float than SPDs.
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