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Old 07-01-20, 02:39 PM
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Vaccine progress

Overview of vaccine progress as of June 30.

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Old 07-03-20, 06:30 PM
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A worthwhile read. It's sobering to realize the large number of challenges ahead.

The way things are going in this country, I think only a vaccine can rescue us from years of torment.
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Old 07-05-20, 06:58 PM
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There will be no vaccine. COVID 19 is a coronavirus, like the common cold. Since 1958, the world has been hit by several pandemics originating from Asia. The 1958 Asian Flu was worse than COVID in terms of fatalities (per capita), as was the 1968 Hong Kong Flu. Then we had SARS and the Swine Flu. No vaccine has ever been developed for any of these viruses. There is also no vaccine for AIDS, despite decades of work and tens of billions of dollars spent. But other treatments will be developed which can reduce the severity of COVID 19 illness.

If you look at the current fatality trends around the world, it seems that herd immunity is being reached. Despite ever increasing cases, the fatality rates are not climbing. COVID 19 is far more widespread than testing can reveal, many of you reading this post likely have or had the virus, and never knew it.

I live in Tokyo, Japan, which has seen very few cases, or at least that is what is reported. In early May, a medical university in Tokyo did random testing of volunteers, and found that 7% were positive for COVID 19. Tokyo has 40 million people in the metro area, which means that as many as 2.8 million could be positive for the virus. This is quite a bit higher than the 20,000 confirmed cases nationwide. However, fatalities continue to decrease. Japan had a quiet flu season, and a sharp drop in the suicide rate, which means that despite COVID 19, there were fewer deaths in Japan in 2020 than in 2018 or 2019.
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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling View Post
There will be no vaccine. COVID 19 is a coronavirus, like the common cold.
Although there are coronaviruses that cause cold symptoms, the "common cold" is a rhinovirus, which is a type of picoRNA virus.

Coronaviruses are fundamentally different, and there are vaccines for some other types in farm animals and pets.

Since 1958, the world has been hit by several pandemics originating from Asia. The 1958 Asian Flu was worse than COVID in terms of fatalities (per capita), as was the 1968 Hong Kong Flu.
Don't count your bodies until the pandemic has run its course.

Then we had SARS and the Swine Flu. No vaccine has ever been developed for any of these viruses.
There is a SARS virus vaccine under development in Oxford, which is what gave them a jump-start on the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.

There has been an H1N1 flu vaccine for many years.

There is also no vaccine for AIDS, despite decades of work and tens of billions of dollars spent. But other treatments will be developed which can reduce the severity of COVID 19 illness
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There was a vaccine developed by Genentech that showed about 37% efficacy. Currently the virus is successfully treated using a cocktail of antiviral compounds.

If you look at the current fatality trends around the world, it seems that herd immunity is being reached.
Your evidence for this is what?

Despite ever increasing cases, the fatality rates are not climbing. COVID 19 is far more widespread than testing can reveal, many of you reading this post likely have or had the virus, and never knew it.
B.S.



I live in Tokyo, Japan, which has seen very few cases, or at least that is what is reported. In early May, a medical university in Tokyo did random testing of volunteers, and found that 7% were positive for COVID 19. Tokyo has 40 million people in the metro area, which means that as many as 2.8 million could be positive for the virus. This is quite a bit higher than the 20,000 confirmed cases nationwide. However, fatalities continue to decrease. Japan had a quiet flu season, and a sharp drop in the suicide rate, which means that despite COVID 19, there were fewer deaths in Japan in 2020 than in 2018 or 2019.
You are confusing the antibody test with the PCR test, and the extrapolation error has been addressed many times before.

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Old 07-20-20, 08:13 AM
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Oxford vaccine shows promise:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
Oxford vaccine shows promise:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839
Prof Sarah Gilbert, from the University of Oxford, UK, says: "There is still much work to be done before we can confirm if our vaccine will help manage the Covid-19 pandemic, but these early results hold promise." >>> VACCINE DREAMS ... keep giving false hope and pretty soon all hope will be taken as false. once people lose faith in their messengers societal order collapses leading to authoritarianist "solutions".
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Isn't this like watching grass grow? "Oh, this tree (18" tall) looks promising."
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Isn't this like watching grass grow? "Oh, this tree (18" tall) looks promising."
exactly and it's not just the tree growing. the problematical part is that after the tree grows, the tree has to bare fruit. and then we have to plant more trees . and then we have to wait for these trees to grow. and then we have to package the fruit. and then we HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE FRUIT TO THE PEOPLE. so who gets the fruit first
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