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Old 04-27-20, 10:02 AM
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College plans for Fall 2020?

Like probably every college student in residence worldwide, my son was sent home to close out the rest of his semester online and pass-fail.

The college is working hard on their plans/contingencies for this fall, how do deal with dorms, cafeteria, classes, labs, how many leave-of-absences to expect, etc.

I'm advising my son to keep a leave-of-absence year as an option, because it doesn't seem worth the investment of college costs and accumulation of student loans (although he's in a pretty good position with only small subsidized/deferred loans) if all he can get out of it is online classes. (Although, the terms of the deferred loans say repayment starts I think 6mo after not being a full-time student? Are there any federal relief provisions for additional student loan deferment?)

Any other thoughts, experiences out there?

How about this year's high school seniors? How many are planning on a gap year? Will college attendance be decimated this fall even if the whole country 'opens up for business' fully? Will small colleges in out-of-the-way locations (with limited circulation of travelers/tourists) see an uptick in enrollment?
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Mercifully my son is graduating. But it was a giant fart on a grant he was working on, as well as all his senior year music projects. We discussed this very thing, and given how weak his school's online offerings were he a junior he'd talk some community college classes online and push graduation off.

More kids are going to chose to go to school closer to home, and/or explore other options.
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If he's able to maybe an internship is a good idea. My University required one for engineering.
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Yes, an internship would be The Dream.
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Mine are too young to worry about but some of the HS seniors I know are either choosing for closer to home or taking a year off, they're not liking the whole distance learning style senior year though I'd expect the colleges to be better prepared and equipped for it. I'm in my thesis writing year so I'm already "distance learning" since all my classes were finished and I just have to focus on writing. Just hoping that schools don't close back down in the fall since this is my last year left to finish writing and I have no desire to be deal with kids at home full time while trying to write. No kids, I'm planning 3 months to write the whole thing at most, 2 months of editing and finalizing, classes canceled again in the fall and I hope to scrape getting it done but I don't want to waste the loans and the 3.9gpa
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It's a shame to not get what you pay for. My daughter is part way through her dental hygiene program so she's forging on. It's not easy though.
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I have a daughter who's finishing up her freshman year. Frankly, if they don't open her university in the fall I don't know what we're going to do. This is such a fluid situation that it's impossible to predict where we'll be in August. I will say that if we get to August and we still don't have some sort of a more viable plan to deal with this than "lock everyone in their house", I'm going to be losing my mind.
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San Jose State announced it is doing remote instruction this fall. UC hasn't made a decision yet, but I suspect it will go the same way, unless something improves significantly. For science students, this is a particularly difficult problem. Lectures can be delivered remotely, but laboratory instruction, and laboratory research, can't be done remotely, very effectively.
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Yes, an internship would be The Dream.
I have an intern coming in this summer. My company is 100% wfh until at least June 1. The intern was supposed to start on May 18, but that has been pushed back to June 8. Really hope it happens, since this is one of the best candidates I've had in a while.

Working on a plan to see if it happen remotely if possible.
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My youngest daughter is in her 6th semester of her quest for her bachelors degree. She's been a commuter student, living at home and driving to class at a local college with some online classes mixed in. Obviously, this semester became online only after spring break ended with COVID upon North America.

My daughter just got a $500.00 grant to use towards a summer semester class and it is her plan to use it. Then to continue in the fall as either an online student or jumping back into being a commuter student if and when the schools go back to in person classes.

I don't want her to lose the momentum she has going on in school. It's not like there are a glut of jobs out there right now for her to do anything else that might be productive. From my experience, and what I've seen with others, losing momentum in school means a higher risk of not completing a degree.
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
San Jose State announced it is doing remote instruction this fall. UC hasn't made a decision yet, but I suspect it will go the same way, unless something improves significantly. For science students, this is a particularly difficult problem. Lectures can be delivered remotely, but laboratory instruction, and laboratory research, can't be done remotely, very effectively.
It's also a problem for humanities, as small seminar classes depend intensely on discussion, and that is inhibited by technology. But you're right, that effect is not nearly like the dealbreaker of needing to be in a lab to do lab work.
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Luckily my daughter is graduating (of course without a real ceremony). When this all hit she was right in the middle of finals so it got kinda crazy. Right after that I had to move her out of her apartment. Happily she is here at home taking her classes online like everyone else. After this she is off in September (God willing) to her new life in Seattle working for Amazon. At least she's spending more than just Summer at home before she leaves. lol
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Old 04-29-20, 07:42 PM
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It's also a problem for humanities, as small seminar classes depend intensely on discussion, and that is inhibited by technology. But you're right, that effect is not nearly like the dealbreaker of needing to be in a lab to do lab work.
Yeah, I am teaching a small discussion-intensive class with Zoom. It is nearly impossible. Two people can't talk at once, which you might think is a good thing, but it is apparently how we normally converse without paying much attention. Zoom can't seem to cope. There must be some better alternative. Everyone turns off the video, so it is basically like having a digital conference call, and me projecting stuff. There are a lot of non-verbal queues we use that we don't think much about, but you can adjust your pace and delivery etc in real time if you can evaluate whether people are grasping a point. That is a lot to ask for remote conferencing.

https://arstechnica.com/staff/2020/0...ning-achieved/
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Thanks for that link, I forwarded that to my kids' school's principal. A couple nuggets really hit home:


The problem is that teaching is an intimate activity: students give up a certain degree of control to the teacher and trust that person to help them master some new topic. It doesn't matter how big the class, that intimacy is unchanged for the teacher. Teaching is personal. ...Teaching is a performance. Anything that comes between the teacher and the student reduces the connection between the two. In that sense, all forms of technology interfere with the intimacy of teaching and consequently impair performance.
I've often thought about how teaching is performance, very true.
And this at the end is tragic:
It goes horribly wrong for the students, too, especially the shy students. These are students who don't ask for help. In class, I pick them up. I help them, and they grow out of their shells. That's all gone now.
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Here's another good article about 'Zoom fatigue':
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-that-happens/
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I'm most concerned about mismanaged reopening. If we open things up again and have a second surge of cases in the fall, then everybody's plans are going to be smashed. I have a stable job position right now, but I had planned to attend school starting the winter semester. I still have time to drop classes and whatnot, but it's a cross-country move for me. Scholarships? Yeesh, what a nightmare now...
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Originally Posted by thinktubes View Post
I have an intern coming in this summer. My company is 100% wfh until at least June 1. The intern was supposed to start on May 18, but that has been pushed back to June 8. Really hope it happens, since this is one of the best candidates I've had in a while.

Working on a plan to see if it happen remotely if possible.
Is he from U of M perchance? I ask because it sounds like what happened with my wife’s nephew, who’ll be in Chicago.

I’m really, really hoping it will be safe to open the schools back up in the fall. My son is not enjoying the online learning experience (sophomore). Breaks my heart to see these kids have their special times taken away from them.
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Is he from U of M perchance? I ask because it sounds like what happened with my wife’s nephew, who’ll be in Chicago.

I’m really, really hoping it will be safe to open the schools back up in the fall. My son is not enjoying the online learning experience (sophomore). Breaks my heart to see these kids have their special times taken away from them.
Nope - I have a gal coming in (fingers crossed). Is it an audio company?
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Nope - I have a gal coming in (fingers crossed). Is it an audio company?
No, big online travel website, rhymes with “Bexpedia”. Good luck, I’m sure your intern is pumped it didn’t get canx.
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Originally Posted by Ferrouscious View Post
I'm most concerned about mismanaged reopening. If we open things up again and have a second surge of cases in the fall, then everybody's plans are going to be smashed. I have a stable job position right now, but I had planned to attend school starting the winter semester. I still have time to drop classes and whatnot, but it's a cross-country move for me. Scholarships? Yeesh, what a nightmare now...
That's an interesting article. I've noticed that I'm extremely tired after a day full of video conferences. I never thought about it being linked to that.
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My kids are grown with kids. We pushed them both through grad school so we all had high expectations to do that, That being said right now I would do everything I could to keep them out of such an infectious environment.

I will do everything I can to encourage and help them to keep their kids home this fall.

This is a pandemic of a highly infectious disease with no cure at the moment, Not everyone is even on board with trying to curb it with the meager tools we have. It is gaining momentum.

Many that get this disease don't die but do get a whole smorgasbord of lasting health problems.

For me that's enough to rethink what is most important,
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Wow, I forgot I posted this. My son's uni has a planned reopening for this fall, with features like:

* Classes will be offered in a variety of in-person and online formats. The larger a class, towards the mass one-way lecture end of the spectrum, the more online.
* Class scheduling spread into the evenings and weekends in order to limit classroom capacity
* De-densified housing: On-campus housing no longer guaranteed for Sophomores, but still required for freshmen. Generally not available anymore for upperclassmen.
* Some housing reserved for quarantine
* Campus dining shifts to takeout, no group seating
* Testing, both reactive and proactive
* Face coverings both indoors and outdoors (!) while on campus
* Fall semester doesn't return to campus after Thanksgiving, online-only until after Christmas

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Texas is going to screw this up I see it coming. My sister teaches at a large San Antonio school in a relatively poor area. The summer school started got canceled because students and teachers were already getting sick. Mid August they go back and having online school is not accessible to many of the students. And there is no direction from anybody. They will all go back for a few weeks and many will become ill and then they will shut down again like last Spring. She corresponds with her colleagues about WTF is going to happen and how in the hell are they going to deal with the load of a 6A school.
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The big 10 is eliminating non conference games for the up coming football season because the students safety and health are their main concern and priority. This doesn't make sense.it sounds more like "what can we do so we can still make some money this season and act like we care".
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