Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

F.B. OEM Hub photos needed

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

F.B. OEM Hub photos needed

Old 02-24-15, 08:52 AM
  #1  
amirinisrael
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
amirinisrael's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ramat-Gan, Israel
Posts: 106

Bikes: '27 Selbach,'38 Schwin Superior, '53 Ephgrave #2, '60 Narcisse, 60's Sauvage LeJeune, '75 Follis 572,80's Italian Mystery bike, '99 Gary Fisher Ziggurat, 2008 Brompton ...

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 9 Posts
F.B. OEM Hub photos needed

I am rebuilding, re-chroming & rehabilitating some 3-piece Campy G.S. hubs.
see https://www.flickr.com/photos/grande...7648665284563/


Along the way I found out that F.B. made those hubs not only for Campagnolo, but for anybody who asked.

A short list includes:

Atala √
Bartali
Bianchi √
Bob's Bikes (Bob Berghino NYC) √
Campagnolo
C.B.
Ciclo Piave
Frejus
Ganna
Legnano
Lygie
Olmo
Maino
Pinarello
Simplex √
Taurus
Umberto Dei
Viscontea
Willier
Wolsit

If anybody has photos of those branded hubs, please send them to me or post here.

Thanks
amirinisrael is offline  
Old 02-24-15, 12:21 PM
  #2  
unworthy1
Stop reading my posts!
 
unworthy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,757
Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 540 Post(s)
Liked 175 Times in 143 Posts
BTW: usually this (FB) is commonly said to be a contraction of the full name of the firm: Fratelli Brivio, of Brescia, Italia and they advertised their marque as "La Grande Marca Italiana", so pretty proud of their "Italianess"

BUT your pics show a French-language box with "Brivio Freres" in which case I reckon the initials should have been "B.F."

Did they (FB) have any manufacturing in France (either their own plant or under contract from a French Companie)?

I HAD some with Legnano branding but didn't take any pics, I'm afraid....but will post any that I find, if I find any.
unworthy1 is offline  
Old 02-24-15, 01:01 PM
  #3  
amirinisrael
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
amirinisrael's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ramat-Gan, Israel
Posts: 106

Bikes: '27 Selbach,'38 Schwin Superior, '53 Ephgrave #2, '60 Narcisse, 60's Sauvage LeJeune, '75 Follis 572,80's Italian Mystery bike, '99 Gary Fisher Ziggurat, 2008 Brompton ...

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 9 Posts
F.B. (Fratelli Brivio S.A.) had offices and a factory at 9, Viale Italia, Brescia, Italy
Brivio Frères (S.A.R.L.) had a sales office, and possibly an assembly plant, in Magnin, Pont-d'Hyeres which it shared with Campagnolo for a time. Details are hard to come by.
amirinisrael is offline  
Old 02-24-15, 06:51 PM
  #4  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,184
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1783 Post(s)
Liked 586 Times in 313 Posts
Viscontea

FB Hubs 02 by iabisdb, on Flickr

FB Hubs 03 by iabisdb, on Flickr

FB Hubs 04 by iabisdb, on Flickr

FB Hubs 05 by iabisdb, on Flickr

FB Hubs 06 by iabisdb, on Flickr
iab is offline  
Old 02-24-15, 06:53 PM
  #5  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,184
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1783 Post(s)
Liked 586 Times in 313 Posts
Umberto Dei

paramanubrio: Umberto Dei "Superleggera" 1949


iab is offline  
Old 02-24-15, 07:00 PM
  #6  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,184
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1783 Post(s)
Liked 586 Times in 313 Posts
Campagnolo with first gen QR branded FB

Skærmbillede 2012-12-06 kl. 11.16.30 by iabisdb, on Flickr

Skærmbillede 2012-12-06 kl. 11.07.44 by iabisdb, on Flickr

Skærmbillede 2012-12-06 kl. 11.08.43 by iabisdb, on Flickr
iab is offline  
Old 02-24-15, 11:53 PM
  #7  
amirinisrael
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
amirinisrael's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ramat-Gan, Israel
Posts: 106

Bikes: '27 Selbach,'38 Schwin Superior, '53 Ephgrave #2, '60 Narcisse, 60's Sauvage LeJeune, '75 Follis 572,80's Italian Mystery bike, '99 Gary Fisher Ziggurat, 2008 Brompton ...

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanks for the photos. Very helpful. Posted them at https://www.flickr.com/photos/grande...7648665284563/

Great flickr collection, BTW: https://www.flickr.com/photos/68123172@N03/sets/
amirinisrael is offline  
Old 02-25-15, 06:02 AM
  #8  
amirinisrael
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
amirinisrael's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ramat-Gan, Israel
Posts: 106

Bikes: '27 Selbach,'38 Schwin Superior, '53 Ephgrave #2, '60 Narcisse, 60's Sauvage LeJeune, '75 Follis 572,80's Italian Mystery bike, '99 Gary Fisher Ziggurat, 2008 Brompton ...

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 9 Posts
good response so far:

Atala √
Bartali √
Berga √
Bianchi √
Bob's Bikes (Bob Berghino NYC) √
Campagnolo √
C.B.
Ciclo Piave
Frejus √
Ganna
Legnano
Lygie
Olmo √
Maino
Pinarello
Simplex √
Stella Veneta √
Taurus √
Umberto Dei √
Viscontea √
Willier
Wolsit
amirinisrael is offline  
Old 02-26-15, 06:33 AM
  #9  
qd-s
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Germany
Posts: 217
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 1 Post
Originally Posted by amirinisrael View Post
I am rebuilding, re-chroming & rehabilitating some 3-piece Campy G.S. hubs.
see https://www.flickr.com/photos/grande...7648665284563/


Along the way I found out that F.B. made those hubs not only for Campagnolo, but for anybody who asked.

A short list includes:

Atala
.
.
.
.
.
.

Are you sure those Atala hubs shown in your flickr album (link above, pics 1 and 2) were made by FB?

I have two of those which I bought in Italy last year. One Atala-branded (see pics below) and another identical hub without any markings (both are rear hubs and both came without skewer).



Apart from the above engraving no markings inside and out.
Because I never heard of Atala as a manufacturer of hubs I tried to find out more.

At first glance my impression was - and still is - that they might not have been made by FB, despite some superficial similarities (three piece high flange hubs with round holes, steel center - aluminium flanges).

FB hubs are lighter, have much nicer finish and smoother run, better bearing quality (I have some FB hubs to compare). The hubs in question something of a low-budget version of real FBs.

I disassembled both 'Atala' hubs for service and did not find 'FB'-markings on the cones as with genuine FBs (at least with mine).

A while ago, I had the same inquiry in a German C&V forum and vague suggestions, besides from FB, were Gnutti and Chater Lea.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
DSC06547.jpg (89.3 KB, 874 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC06548.jpg (91.8 KB, 875 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC06549.jpg (87.4 KB, 873 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC06551.jpg (92.2 KB, 874 views)
qd-s is offline  
Old 02-26-15, 08:07 AM
  #10  
amirinisrael
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
amirinisrael's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Ramat-Gan, Israel
Posts: 106

Bikes: '27 Selbach,'38 Schwin Superior, '53 Ephgrave #2, '60 Narcisse, 60's Sauvage LeJeune, '75 Follis 572,80's Italian Mystery bike, '99 Gary Fisher Ziggurat, 2008 Brompton ...

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 9 Posts
At the bottom of my list I include a caveat:

"60+ years later, the only way to be sure that a hub was made by FB is to take the hubs apart and take very accurate measurements.
If everything is the same except for the engraving then there's a very good chance that they were made by F.B."

Eventually I will take a few accurate F.B hub measurements and post them ... that way, others can measure against those numbers.

And, you are probably right when you hinted that Gnutti made similar hubs and may have made OEM's as well.
I have a Gnutti branded 3-piece hubs and the measurements clearly differ from F.B. Will eventually post those measurements as well.

Thanks for the heads-up.


amirinisrael is offline  
Old 02-26-15, 09:27 AM
  #11  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
does anyone have knowledge of CIDNEO hubs? they have a similar appearance to FB but with one big difference. the barrels are too small in diameter to accept hollow axles. have always assumed them to be made by another firm but have no hard information. thank you.

VeloBase.com - Component: Cidneo Extra (FB)

edit -

just did a spot of checking and discovered that Cidneo is a place name in Brescia, Italy - home of F.B.

Last edited by juvela; 02-26-15 at 10:02 AM. Reason: addition
juvela is offline  
Old 03-17-15, 08:58 PM
  #12  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
hello amir,

one additional vintage italian hub you may wish to look into is a brand called siamt. there is currently a set on italian ebay:

Old Hubs Super Siamt Torino Years 30 40 Aluminium RARE Flip Flop | eBay





wiki italy has some information on this firm:

SIAMT - Wikipedia
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
SIAMT Hubset a) .jpg (49.6 KB, 870 views)
File Type: jpg
SIAMT Hubset b) .jpg (45.6 KB, 865 views)
juvela is offline  
Old 03-31-15, 06:59 PM
  #13  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
1930's Wolsit marked rear hub -



currently on ebay:

Mozzo Posteriore Wolsit Scatto Fisso Bici Bianchi Bacchetta Bicicletta | eBay
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Wolsit rear hub .jpg (101.6 KB, 864 views)
juvela is offline  
Old 03-31-15, 07:48 PM
  #14  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,184
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1783 Post(s)
Liked 586 Times in 313 Posts
Gloria/FB on ebay

Mozzo FB Gloria Bici Corsa Eroica Bike Epoca Vintage Ruota Bianchi Legnano | eBay

iab is offline  
Old 04-09-15, 06:13 AM
  #15  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Gnutti front hub.jpg (102.6 KB, 866 views)
juvela is offline  
Old 04-09-15, 10:30 PM
  #16  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
Lygie -



Ideor Asso -



Taurus Lautal -



Maino -



Bianchi -




body of rear appears it may have been bent in f/w removal attempt; or it may be a photographic effect...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Lygie front hub .jpg (87.3 KB, 866 views)
File Type: jpg
Ideor Asso mozzi .jpg (101.6 KB, 868 views)
File Type: jpg
Taurus Lautal mozzi .jpg (96.7 KB, 865 views)
File Type: jpg
Maino hubs .JPG (84.2 KB, 864 views)
File Type: jpg
Bianchi mozzi .jpg (102.9 KB, 869 views)
juvela is offline  
Old 04-11-15, 01:52 PM
  #17  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
Legnano marked hubset -

this set was listed on ebay. seller states marked Legnano, however stamping is difficult to read. appear to pre-date F.B. but readers who enjoy vintage Italian hubs might like to see them:




Gnutti - Frejus hubset -

from an ebay listing:

Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Gnutti- Frejus hubs a) .JPG (72.8 KB, 861 views)
File Type: jpg
Gnutti - Frejus hubs b) .jpg (43.1 KB, 857 views)
File Type: jpg
Frejus - Gnutti hubs c).jpg (37.0 KB, 856 views)
File Type: jpg
Gnutti -Frejus hubs d) .jpg (49.3 KB, 855 views)
File Type: jpg
Gnutti - Frejus hubs e).jpg (51.5 KB, 854 views)
File Type: jpg
Mozzi Legnano a) .jpg (100.4 KB, 862 views)
File Type: jpg
Mozzi Legnano b) .jpg (98.9 KB, 863 views)
File Type: jpg
Mozzi Legnano c) .jpg (98.3 KB, 861 views)
File Type: jpg
Mozzi Legnano d) .jpg (99.1 KB, 857 views)

Last edited by juvela; 04-11-15 at 02:04 PM. Reason: fix dead link
juvela is offline  
Old 07-15-15, 05:47 AM
  #18  
velofiks
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yes, you should also add the brand "Cidneo" (it seems to be a brand not only manufactured, but also made by Fratelli Brivio in the 1930s)..same goes with the brand "Brixia".
velofiks is offline  
Old 01-21-16, 06:11 AM
  #19  
markk900
Senior Member
 
markk900's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Ontario
Posts: 1,853
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 157 Post(s)
Liked 16 Times in 14 Posts
Older thread but didn't know about it previously: some additional pictures - PAFF:





Both are stamped the same way: winged wheel, "FB", then "PAFF". These are from 1952 based on the cones.
markk900 is offline  
Old 01-21-16, 06:55 AM
  #20  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,184
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1783 Post(s)
Liked 586 Times in 313 Posts
While I don't have a picture, I was looking at an FB - Cinelli hub at the Madison swap this year.
iab is offline  
Old 01-21-16, 08:33 AM
  #21  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
Originally Posted by iab View Post
While I don't have a picture, I was looking at an FB - Cinelli hub at the Madison swap this year.
Ahhhh, to be within the aura of bivalence!
juvela is offline  
Old 01-21-16, 05:56 PM
  #22  
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Posts: 10,184
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1783 Post(s)
Liked 586 Times in 313 Posts
Not bivalence. Just old. Like this.

iab is offline  
Old 01-21-16, 06:56 PM
  #23  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
Ah, thank you iab!

Very much appreciated here.
juvela is offline  
Old 02-01-16, 05:13 PM
  #24  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
FB Amerio -




FB Amerio mozzo in acciaio bici vintage rear hub condorino sport bike Brivio | eBay
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
FB Amerio hub a) .jpg (45.6 KB, 846 views)
File Type: jpg
FB Amerio Hub b) .jpg (28.4 KB, 843 views)
File Type: jpg
FB Amerio hub c) .jpg (28.7 KB, 840 views)

Last edited by juvela; 02-05-16 at 10:24 PM. Reason: add imagery
juvela is offline  
Old 02-04-16, 02:38 PM
  #25  
juvela
Senior Member
 
juvela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alta California
Posts: 9,504
Mentioned: 265 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2117 Post(s)
Liked 334 Times in 295 Posts
FB high/low pista -



from this ebay listing:

RARE Vintage FB High Low Flange 3 Piece Rear Track Hub Campagnolo | eBay
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
s-l1600.jpg (82.6 KB, 852 views)
File Type: jpg
s-l1600.jpg (85.3 KB, 849 views)
File Type: jpg
s-l1600.jpg (79.3 KB, 848 views)
File Type: jpg
s-l1600.jpg (76.7 KB, 847 views)
File Type: jpg
s-l1600.jpg (80.9 KB, 849 views)
juvela is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.