Request Peugeot ID, value (warning: pics as found)
07-29-18, 03:37 PM
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Request Peugeot ID, value (warning: pics as found)
Just came back with this beauty 
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Details that may not show in pics: Lugs appear black. AVA stem. Mafac CP calipers. Wienmann levers w/ T-wings. Normandy Competition red label hubs. 27x1-1/8 Gentleman rims drilled for Schraeder. 49D crankset with hex drives. Simplex criterium shifters and FD. RD, seat and post def not original.
Condition: Most obvious negative is Simplex DO with hanger sawed off. The usual amount of chips with some rust. Maybe more hidden under stickers added to TT.
What the heck is it and is it worth the $20 I paid?
.Details that may not show in pics: Lugs appear black. AVA stem. Mafac CP calipers. Wienmann levers w/ T-wings. Normandy Competition red label hubs. 27x1-1/8 Gentleman rims drilled for Schraeder. 49D crankset with hex drives. Simplex criterium shifters and FD. RD, seat and post def not original.
Condition: Most obvious negative is Simplex DO with hanger sawed off. The usual amount of chips with some rust. Maybe more hidden under stickers added to TT.
What the heck is it and is it worth the $20 I paid?
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07-29-18, 04:21 PM
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Hmmmm . . . Rear triangle has chrome socks. That says PX-10 to me, but I see no 531 sticker on the seat tube. There appears to have been a 531 sticker on the fork though. What is the inner diameter of the seat tube?
Whatever it is, it is worth what you paid. Shame about the dropout.
Whatever it is, it is worth what you paid. Shame about the dropout.
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07-29-18, 04:27 PM
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Looks to be an erly 1970's PX-10E which has had its saddle, saddle pillar, pedals, rear mech, front mech, wheels and brake levers changed.
There appears to be something wonky with the fork. Either the blades have "softened" or the steerer is bent forward just above the fork crown (or both!). Likely from a juvenile doing stunts such as going off curbs and/or down steps.
BTW - the machine's chainset is model 93 (OEM). Angle of image does not permit a determination as to whether G1 or G2.
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Tip - you might consider checking to see if the hardwood plug is yet in residence at the steerer's austral terminus.
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Looks to be an erly 1970's PX-10E which has had its saddle, saddle pillar, pedals, rear mech, front mech, wheels and brake levers changed.
There appears to be something wonky with the fork. Either the blades have "softened" or the steerer is bent forward just above the fork crown (or both!). Likely from a juvenile doing stunts such as going off curbs and/or down steps.
BTW - the machine's chainset is model 93 (OEM). Angle of image does not permit a determination as to whether G1 or G2.
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Tip - you might consider checking to see if the hardwood plug is yet in residence at the steerer's austral terminus.
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07-29-18, 11:02 PM
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Thank you both. Seat tube accepts 26.4mm post. Steerer tube wood dowel plug is present and accounted for. I agree fork does look bent in pic but it is just the pic- it actually looks fine in person.The FD looks to me like a Simlex SJ, perhaps an appropriate substitute?
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07-30-18, 12:48 AM
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I see in the 74 catalog a model called UX 10. "Same model as PX 10 E, however with tires 27x1-1/4 and tubes with Schraeder valves." And looking at a UX 10 posted on BF by joe_englert it has same fork crown as mine: top surface is flat (not a Vagner) and chrome while rest of the crown is white. While bad news that it's not a PX, good news is wheels may well be original.
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07-30-18, 02:35 AM
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This is my 1973 PX10E and the fork angle looks a bit different than the OP's. Also, if parting out becomes the issue, I might be interested in the front derailleur. That is the only non-original component fitted to my X10...
As is shown, the original for my Peugeot is cracked...
As is shown, the original for my Peugeot is cracked...
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07-30-18, 03:44 AM
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That fork has been replaced. You can see that the gap at the bottom between headtube and crown is almost nil, and extra spacers have been added at the top of the steerer.
I've never used the UX designation as a determiner. I mean, if it has no wheels, then it's a PX-10 frameset? Change the wheels and it's a PX-10? Just a sales model-name. It's a PX-10.
I've never used the UX designation as a determiner. I mean, if it has no wheels, then it's a PX-10 frameset? Change the wheels and it's a PX-10? Just a sales model-name. It's a PX-10.
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07-30-18, 08:30 AM
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Regarding Hubs -
Do not recall ever seeing a PX model fitted with the red label Normandy Luxe Competition hubs. The Maillard 700 model hub launched in 1973 and PX & PY series machines received them at launch. Recall the PX as going directly from gold label Normandy Luxe Competition to Maillard 700. Or did I just miss the red label ones?
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Regarding Hubs -
Do not recall ever seeing a PX model fitted with the red label Normandy Luxe Competition hubs. The Maillard 700 model hub launched in 1973 and PX & PY series machines received them at launch. Recall the PX as going directly from gold label Normandy Luxe Competition to Maillard 700. Or did I just miss the red label ones?
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07-30-18, 09:03 AM
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I am intrigued by the serial number stamped directly into the BB shell, which is a less-frequently seen marking. Based on that, the more upright frame angles and the Nervex Pro lugs, I'm gonna say 1973. The fork is interesting, though - the crown looks to me like the ones they used on PR-10 forks, which were NOT 531. I look at the steeper head angle and the slight upward tilt of the top tube and wonder if it has been crashed. I would look very closely at the juncture of the top and down tubes with the head tube for evidence of a crash that led to a fork replacement.
I am in the minority here, but if it has been crashed, I wouldn't automatically scrap the bike, and if it is indeed bent, lemme know. I'm crazy enough to straighten it and ride it.
I am in the minority here, but if it has been crashed, I wouldn't automatically scrap the bike, and if it is indeed bent, lemme know. I'm crazy enough to straighten it and ride it.
07-30-18, 09:33 AM
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Did these bikes come with Stronglight headsets? I don't know what headset is on my bike but I'm pretty sure it doesn't belong.
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Regarding Hubs -
Do not recall ever seeing a PX model fitted with the red label Normandy Luxe Competition hubs. The Maillard 700 model hub launched in 1973 and PX & PY series machines received them at luanch. Recall the PX as going directly from gold label Normandy Luxe Competition to Maillard 700. Or did I just miss the red label ones?
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Regarding Hubs -
Do not recall ever seeing a PX model fitted with the red label Normandy Luxe Competition hubs. The Maillard 700 model hub launched in 1973 and PX & PY series machines received them at luanch. Recall the PX as going directly from gold label Normandy Luxe Competition to Maillard 700. Or did I just miss the red label ones?
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07-30-18, 11:02 AM
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The fact that headset "doesn't belong" might give support to the idea that fork is a replacement. This would account for readers' puzzlement over the crown.
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07-30-18, 01:42 PM
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Alternately, the discrepant headset may explain the extra spacers on this bike. Here is the thread showing ux 10 owned by dddd that has the same fork crown and also 27" super champions.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/838617-peugeot-ux-10-not-px-10-a.html
If the crown is unique to ux I wonder if the frame may differ from px in other ways i.e. maybe the brake bridge distance from dropout.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/838617-peugeot-ux-10-not-px-10-a.html
If the crown is unique to ux I wonder if the frame may differ from px in other ways i.e. maybe the brake bridge distance from dropout.
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Thanks very much for this information!
In the photo all I could see was a black area between the headset locknut and the adjustable race. Due to image size could not tell if this a gap and bare steerer were showing or if there was something in there.
For reference, within the realm of conventional headsets ordinary quality ones usually have a stack height in the vicinity of thirty-five mm while quality ones are usually in the vicinity of forty mm.
No shortage of good detective work on your part.
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Thanks very much for this information!
In the photo all I could see was a black area between the headset locknut and the adjustable race. Due to image size could not tell if this a gap and bare steerer were showing or if there was something in there.
For reference, within the realm of conventional headsets ordinary quality ones usually have a stack height in the vicinity of thirty-five mm while quality ones are usually in the vicinity of forty mm.
No shortage of good detective work on your part.
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