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And, high cholesterol numbers don't necessarily mean high risk for heart attacks. Seems I've read somewhere that there are just as many folks dying with low numbers as with high. Inflammation is now considered to be a key risk factor for heart attacks. I believe there is now a test to measure it.
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Honestly it keeps running through my mind. I didn't really know him at all. Maybe ridden with him a half dozen times. Its just a really odd feeling. Not to mention the new anxiety about my own health and that of some of my family members.
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You always hear you can not out ride a bad diet, and now the brutal truth seems to be you can not out ride or out diet unlucky genetics. This is GOOD in some ways however because it shifts focus onto things we CAN detect early, like colon cancer as one example.
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My Dr told me the push is to get EVERYBODY on a Statin but they scare me. He said there was no dosage reccomendation. I just recently saw something about a low salt diet imposed on people who do not need it causing plaques, and causing the BP of about 15% of people to go UP. Yep 15% of people if you lower their sodium intake their BP goes up.
FWIW, there have been zero side effects from my statin (Simvastatin)--very low dose. My vitals are all really good. It lowered my C-reactive protein, which is something one does not want to screw around with.
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I know there's a hubbub about "statin nation". My doc is younger and pretty progressive in his ideology, from what I've seen.
FWIW, there have been zero side effects from my statin (Simvastatin)--very low dose. My vitals are all really good. It lowered my C-reactive protein, which is something one does not want to screw around with.
FWIW, there have been zero side effects from my statin (Simvastatin)--very low dose. My vitals are all really good. It lowered my C-reactive protein, which is something one does not want to screw around with.
Dr. was fine with me dropping it after he saw my labs :-).
Hey I found out that Coronary Calcium test is avail in Northeast, IN for $50 cash, no Dr, referral even required, through Parkview.
Bill
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Sorry for your loss of a pedaling acquaintance.
I see this thread has wondered on to nutrition so I don’t feel too rude adding a link to this site even though it’s off-topic from the original post.
I have been concerned about blockage since my older brother(by one year) had several heart stents put in 2years ago.
Here is a vast nutrition site with lots of evidence based advice what to eat and not to eat.
He puts up a good argument for going vegan for human health reasons.
Michael Greger M.D.
the page on heart disease
www.nutritionfacts.org/topics/heart-disease/
the main page
www.nutritionfacts.org
I see this thread has wondered on to nutrition so I don’t feel too rude adding a link to this site even though it’s off-topic from the original post.
I have been concerned about blockage since my older brother(by one year) had several heart stents put in 2years ago.
Here is a vast nutrition site with lots of evidence based advice what to eat and not to eat.
He puts up a good argument for going vegan for human health reasons.
Michael Greger M.D.
the page on heart disease
www.nutritionfacts.org/topics/heart-disease/
the main page
www.nutritionfacts.org
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^^^^^
my genetics bless me with bad cholesterol. i eat very little dairy now and zero meat. diet works fir sure, i lowered my numbers with diet alone. i really got back into cyclying to strengthen my heart
my genetics bless me with bad cholesterol. i eat very little dairy now and zero meat. diet works fir sure, i lowered my numbers with diet alone. i really got back into cyclying to strengthen my heart
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Well ****. You guys are making me deathly afraid of turning 40 next year
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Don't mean to be contentious but this bit of generalized advice isn't in the best interests of most people. Getting checked and treated probably has saved more than 1 life. Everyone chooses the level of healthcare they can afford or believe will help. Advising people that getting checked is bogus just strikes me wrong. I'd rather get checked and die tomorrow than to follow this advice.
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Knowing the numbers is not "bad" but as more time goes on sometimes they find that what they touted as "good" is either useless, or even harmful. Focus of time and money on things that DO make a difference is better.
I'm not sure anybody has proven changing cholesterol numbers has ever did anything good for anybody. Sky high BP is bad, but a chemical solution instead of attacking the root cause may cause harm due to side effects from the chemicals.
I'm not sure anybody has proven changing cholesterol numbers has ever did anything good for anybody. Sky high BP is bad, but a chemical solution instead of attacking the root cause may cause harm due to side effects from the chemicals.
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In order to prevent calcification in your arteries take "Vitamine K2" pills. For more info read this article: 10 Important Facts About Vitamin K That You Need to Know
And also take some blood thinners to prevent clotting. (ask to your doctor)
And also take some blood thinners to prevent clotting. (ask to your doctor)
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Here is what a world class heart surgeon causes heart disease.
I went low carb, high fat last September and I lost 50 lbs and my cholesterol has improved dramatically. Inflammation is a killer and unfortunately the standard American diet is full of carbs and sugar and causes inflammation. I just got done reading a book called "The Great Cholesterol Myth". The premise of this book is that your total cholesterol doesn't matter, what matters is your hdl to triglycerides ratio, and the size of your blood particles. I had a VAP test a few months back and my blood particles are the large fluffy kind that cause little damage. My hdl/tri Ratio has gone from 3.89 down to 1.13 in 8 months.
I went low carb, high fat last September and I lost 50 lbs and my cholesterol has improved dramatically. Inflammation is a killer and unfortunately the standard American diet is full of carbs and sugar and causes inflammation. I just got done reading a book called "The Great Cholesterol Myth". The premise of this book is that your total cholesterol doesn't matter, what matters is your hdl to triglycerides ratio, and the size of your blood particles. I had a VAP test a few months back and my blood particles are the large fluffy kind that cause little damage. My hdl/tri Ratio has gone from 3.89 down to 1.13 in 8 months.
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Here is what a world class heart surgeon causes heart disease.
I went low carb, high fat last September and I lost 50 lbs and my cholesterol has improved dramatically. Inflammation is a killer and unfortunately the standard American diet is full of carbs and sugar and causes inflammation. I just got done reading a book called "The Great Cholesterol Myth". The premise of this book is that your total cholesterol doesn't matter, what matters is your hdl to triglycerides ratio, and the size of your blood particles. I had a VAP test a few months back and my blood particles are the large fluffy kind that cause little damage. My hdl/tri Ratio has gone from 3.89 down to 1.13 in 8 months.
I went low carb, high fat last September and I lost 50 lbs and my cholesterol has improved dramatically. Inflammation is a killer and unfortunately the standard American diet is full of carbs and sugar and causes inflammation. I just got done reading a book called "The Great Cholesterol Myth". The premise of this book is that your total cholesterol doesn't matter, what matters is your hdl to triglycerides ratio, and the size of your blood particles. I had a VAP test a few months back and my blood particles are the large fluffy kind that cause little damage. My hdl/tri Ratio has gone from 3.89 down to 1.13 in 8 months.
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You're correct it is tri/hdl. So if your tri is 150 and your hdl is 50, your ratio would be a 3.
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Originally Posted by greenlight149
Does that mean just because someone is fit doesn't mean they are healthy?
So true. My father was lucky to catch his blockage ~10 years ago because he noticed a sudden decrease in his fitness. He was (and now, still is) very active with tennis, golf, etc, but then suddenly was winded walking up a set of stairs. Sensing something wasn't right, he went to the doctor for a stress test and was in the operating room the next day. Quadruple bypass.
His father (my grandfather) survived 4 heart attacks in his 40s and 50s.
It took me a while, but I'm keeping on top of my heart health now, including regular visits to the cardiologist.
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"My Dr told me the push is to get EVERYBODY on a Statin"
I'd like to see evidence of that claim.
I'd like to see evidence of that claim.
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The amount of misinformation in this thread is awesome!
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@icyclistNot to risk of derailing this thread from it's original purpose, I'd invite you to start a new thread and point out the topics you can inform us on.
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Sorry for your loss.
@rpenmanparker I was once on a statin I through exercise kicked the drugs, lost weight and have improved my lipid panel numbers all they way around. My diet is not anywhere considered low fat or low cholesterol. I eat two eggs daily most often fried. I eat bacon and pork sausage. For some people exercise can improve health better than drugs.
@rpenmanparker I was once on a statin I through exercise kicked the drugs, lost weight and have improved my lipid panel numbers all they way around. My diet is not anywhere considered low fat or low cholesterol. I eat two eggs daily most often fried. I eat bacon and pork sausage. For some people exercise can improve health better than drugs.
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@icyclistNot to risk of derailing this thread from it's original purpose, I'd invite you to start a new thread and point out the topics you can inform us on.
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Half of Older Adults Should Take Statins Under New Guidelines
Using data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys of 2005 to 2010, the researchers estimated the number of people for whom statin therapy would be recommended under the new ACC-AHA guidelines.1
Compared with the older guidelines, the new recommendations would increase the number of US adults ages 40 to 75 eligible for statin therapy from 43.2 million to 56 million, with most of the increase occurring among adults withoutheart disease. This equates to nearly half of the US population between the ages of 40 and 75!
Among older adults (those between the ages of 60 and 75), the percentage eligible for statins would increase from 30 percent to 87 percent among men and from 21 percent to 54 percent among women. According to the study, this drastic rise would be driven largely by risk determined solely by their 10-year risk of a cardiovascular event – a measure that has been heavily criticized by experts (as I'll discuss shortly).
The study's lead author noted that this implies "if you're a 60- to 75-year-old man and not on a statin, you should go get one, and every other woman of this age should get one."2
Compared with the older guidelines, the new recommendations would increase the number of US adults ages 40 to 75 eligible for statin therapy from 43.2 million to 56 million, with most of the increase occurring among adults withoutheart disease. This equates to nearly half of the US population between the ages of 40 and 75!
Among older adults (those between the ages of 60 and 75), the percentage eligible for statins would increase from 30 percent to 87 percent among men and from 21 percent to 54 percent among women. According to the study, this drastic rise would be driven largely by risk determined solely by their 10-year risk of a cardiovascular event – a measure that has been heavily criticized by experts (as I'll discuss shortly).
When Cleveland Clinic cardiologist Dr. Steven Nissen used the calculator to evaluate some of his own patients—men who had no known risk markers—it became clear just how flawed this measure really is. They had healthy cholesterol levels, normal blood pressure, and didn't smoke; in short, these were men who were completely healthy.
The calculator still ended up finding a 7.5 percent risk, qualifying them for arbitrary drug treatment. "Something is terribly wrong," he told the New York Times,6 noting that using this calculator will ensure that virtually every "average healthy Joe" gets statin treatment.
The calculator still ended up finding a 7.5 percent risk, qualifying them for arbitrary drug treatment. "Something is terribly wrong," he told the New York Times,6 noting that using this calculator will ensure that virtually every "average healthy Joe" gets statin treatment.
[h=2]Statins May Be Detrimental to Your Heart, and Overall, Health[/h]
Perhaps the biggest "sham" of all is that statin drugs, touted as "preventive medicine" to protect your heart health, can actually have detrimental effects on your heart. For example, a study published in the journal Atherosclerosis9 showed that statin use is associated with a 52 percent increased prevalence and extent of calcified coronary plaque compared to non-users. Coronary artery calcification is the hallmark of potentially lethal heart disease!
Even more egregious, recent research shows that statins can effectively negate the benefits of exercise, which is one of the primary heart disease prevention strategies! The study, published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology,10discovered that statin use led to dramatically reduced fitness benefits from exercise, in some cases actually making the volunteer LESS fit than before. The results showed that:
Even more egregious, recent research shows that statins can effectively negate the benefits of exercise, which is one of the primary heart disease prevention strategies! The study, published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology,10discovered that statin use led to dramatically reduced fitness benefits from exercise, in some cases actually making the volunteer LESS fit than before. The results showed that:
- On average, non-medicated participants improved their aerobic fitness by more than 10 percent after a 12-week long (five days a week) supervised exercise program. Mitochondrial content activity increased by 13 percent
- Volunteers taking 40 mg of simvastatin improved their fitness by a mere 1.5 percent on average, and some hadreduced their aerobic capacity at the end of the 12-week fitness program. Mitochondrial content activity decreased by an average of 4.5 percent
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