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Old 10-01-19, 12:11 PM
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Mystery Red Lugged Road Bike

Hey all , this lovely bike got donated to our local bike co-op recently and we can not figure out what the heck it is! It's an interesting mash of parts (mostly Campy and Dura Ace) and looks like it's been repainted (though with some stickers applied afterwards) The "R" cutout in the BB should be a pretty big giveaway but my cursory searching has come up with nothing solid. I would guess it's from the 70's but I couldn't say for sure. I could post more photos if folks wanted , we're going to tear it down and give it a full repacking and cleaning before doing much else with it.


















It also came along with a set of these wild titanium rim tubular wheels. Never seen these before.



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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess a Japanese made Raleigh from the mid seventies.
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Old 10-01-19, 01:20 PM
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I can't help with the brand. Just wanted to say that visually, that bike is a stunna!
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1060 Corsa dropouts out back, that could date to mid-70s IIRC

Seat stays at cluster reminds me of the treatment Cinelli, Toressini (thus Torpado, Italvega etc., right?) and others used on their 70s bikes.

Looks like maybe powdercoat, and way too thick. Cutout in BB doesn't ring a bell. Sad to see the BB guides shaved, the under-chainstay stop ignored, and someone used a clamp on chrome, wtf? (edit: Probably because BB guides are shaved, duh!)

Nice looking though. Any info on the BB or steer tube threading?

Could be really cool to have it stripped, fresh BB guides brazed on, and a repaint.

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Old 10-01-19, 01:29 PM
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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess a Japanese made Raleigh from the mid seventies.
Not a chance. The "R" on the bottom bracket isn't the style of a Rossin either.

Raseza, perhaps? (that's a guess)
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Old 10-01-19, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sauze
I would guess it's from the 70's.


The 6-speed, two sets of bottle bosses, rear drops, and shifter bosses tell me mid '80s, at least.

But the nutted calipers say otherwise. The rear caliper mount and nut looks odd.
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What is the round circle thing on the back of the BB shell? Is that a 3 digit serial # between the yellow dot and the R cutout?
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Not Razesa, I've got one, different styling.

I'm thinking Raysport. And just to add to the mystery, check this. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...elli-copy.html

Definitely a lot of Cinelli-esque elements here, but not a Cinelli either.
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Yup, it's a Raysport.

CC Bicycle Gallery: Jay Blankenbiller's 1975 Raysport Super Corsa

Same R on that one. Same elements too.

More info: http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc...port_info.html

"These are essentially a quite nice Cinelli Super Corsa copy from Mexico from about 1975, but with a tighter wheelbase, and vertical Campy rear dropouts. Very responsive but comfortable frames (steel is real!), no eyelets on the dropouts, not for wide tires, fenders, or 'touring.'"
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Last reply, I promise: CC Bicycle Gallery: Marcus Coles' RaySport
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
The 6-speed, two sets of bottle bosses, rear drops, and shifter bosses tell me mid '80s, at least.
Braze-ons could have been added later. 6-cog freewheels have been available since the early 70s at least, and the Campagnolo 1060 dropouts since the 1960s. So it could be much earlier than 1980s.

The Cinelli-style seat lug is interesting, and consistent with Raysport, as mentioned above.
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
What is the round circle thing on the back of the BB shell?

Cable guide for under the bottom bracket cable routing. The bare metal patches likely once had similar loops, perhaps drewed off to allow the bike to be used on a trainer.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
6-cog freewheels have been available since the early 70s.
I associate them with 126mm spacing.
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Originally Posted by francophile View Post
Yup, it's a Raysport.
Nailed it.

I was going to guess Roberts.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Cable guide for under the bottom bracket cable routing. The bare metal patches likely once had similar loops, perhaps drewed off to allow the bike to be used on a trainer.
Thanks. That's a shame about the drewing.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Braze-ons could have been added later. 6-cog freewheels have been available since the early 70s at least, and the Campagnolo 1060 dropouts since the 1960s. So it could be much earlier than 1980s.

The Cinelli-style seat lug is interesting, and consistent with Raysport, as mentioned above.
I have a 72 Condor that the PO sent back to their shop in the mid 80's for some modernizing. The modernizing included rear DOs to 130, cable guides and shifter bosses. They also repainted/decaled, then sent it back. It is hard to nail down a bike's past.
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To be specific, it is a later production Raysport Super Corsa. Earlier production had 1010 dropouts. It would originally have had chrome lugs. IIRC, they are chrome plated but the chain stay was not exposed chrome.

Example of a NOS frame below.


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The front derailleur cable guide looks to be snapped off, as opposed to shaved off.

The rear was deliberately removed.

Once either was damaged, the clamp-on guide bracket became a necessity.
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@CV-6 you and others may enjoy this. Someone was fortunate enough to be able to do a very explicit side-by-side of the Cinelli vs. Raysport. I found this actually really damn intriguing. If I had the choice, based on the features alone and being completely honest, I would've chosen the Raysport over the Cinelli.

Velo Classics: Cinelli vs. Raysport
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Thanks so much for the links and info everyone! Raysport is totally it , I'll make sure I take some more pictures when it's all cleaned up / ready to ride!
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Originally Posted by francophile View Post
@CV-6 you and others may enjoy this. Someone was fortunate enough to be able to do a very explicit side-by-side of the Cinelli vs. Raysport. I found this actually really damn intriguing. If I had the choice, based on the features alone and being completely honest, I would've chosen the Raysport over the Cinelli.

Velo Classics: Cinelli vs. Raysport
I am familiar with it. I think he has a similar entry with Windsor and Cinelli. Or maybe all three. EDIT: Just looked at it again and saw he is comparing a Criterium model as opposed to a Super Corsa.

I bought my Raysport because of the St Louis connection. They also had a Turismo, Criterium, and Strada model. One SC was made into a pista. You really don't see the others much. IIRC, the Strada was a Masi copy. I do like th ride of my Raysport and should really ride it more. Too many choices. As my son, says, "First World problem"

We do have a member who has examples of the others.....

OP. Nice find. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by sauze View Post
Hey all , this lovely bike got donated to our local bike co-op recently and we can not figure out what the heck it is! It's an interesting mash of parts (mostly Campy and Dura Ace) <SNIP>

It also came along with a set of these wild titanium rim tubular wheels. Never seen these before.




I have seen those rims before... Araia TITAACE, On a national champions 3-Rensho track bike, You have struck C&V GOLD!!! Those rims go for about $600 EACH on Ebay, worth even more as a set, also that wheel in your photo may have titanium spokes as they appear identical to the titanium spokes on the 3-Rensho. Unbelievably rare.








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I hate to bring up mere practical considerations but it seems to me that the cutaway R in the BB shell would allow dirt easy access to the BB.
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I hate to bring up mere practical considerations but it seems to me that the cutaway R in the BB shell would allow dirt easy access to the BB.
That's what BB sleeves are for.

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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I associate them with 126mm spacing.
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By the mid-'70's Maeda was offering narrow six blocks; i.e. six in the space of five.

So riders with 120mm spaced frames could pilot machines with twelve or eighteen speed drive trains.


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