cooker

I think you mentioned a while back you were going to ride up there...
Congrats on making it. Was this the first time?

cooker

I didn't see it that way. He asked for car-free outings. If you drove to the trailhead it wasn't a car-free outing. He was just trying to explain that to you.

Seattle Forrest

He asked about people doing things for a few hours that don't include cars, and then cried foul when he didn't approve of what people do in the world. Which is typical of this little forum.

350htrr

That's the way I took it, thus my bike tour should qualify, even tho the wife followed with the truck... It was a car free outing for a car heavy person...

I-Like-To-Bike

Sometimes posters forget that the only way to show "respectfulness" to other posters on this forum is to electronically nod heads in agreement, if not offer high fives, to posts that are often nothing more than political rants, motorist bashing, and/or day dreaming visions/schemes, not to mention personal diary/travel notes and photo-bomb-fests of same.

It should be noted that some posters of the above type of posts seem most demanding of "respect" (i.e. agreement/concurrence) and take any criticism or differing opinion as a personal affront.

cooker

No, I think you misunderstood the thread intent, and got unnecessarily upset when he innocently explained that he was asking about car-free outings that involve no car component. Maybe re-read the OP and see if you agree.

Seattle Forrest

Sounds good to me.

Seattle Forrest

That's what you got from

cooker

Yes, I don't see how it could be understood any other way.

Seattle Forrest

You have to cut out 99 % of the message to interpret it in your preferred way!

cooker

He gave a bunch of examples like people walking to McDonalds and jogging home. Basically he made a straightforward request, you misinterpreted it, and when he politely tried to clarify it you got snippy.

Seattle Forrest

I gave another example, and certain thin-skinned people freaked out. One of them is continuing.

I'm not going to play deceptive word games with you about who's allowed to post in this forum and who isn't.

350htrr

Really? So, it has to be car free right from your house, or it doesn't count? Not in my book, you can use a car drive 100Km and get out and spend the whole day/weekend or the whole week, fishing, hiking, swimming, skiing, snowshoeing, kayaking, whatever for the whole day/weekend or even a week, and not use the vehicle for any of those things, but that doesn't count because you drove to it, and obviously must drive back...? Not really the same as driving 100Km, watch 2Hrs of people racing around in an oval doing 200Km/Hr+. driving to a restaurant, driving to a nightspot, and driving home...

cooker

In this particular thread, in the OP, tandempower wa interested in discussing if people who otherwise use cars a lot, sometimes go out without using the car, or could be encouraged to. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

cooker

Everybody is allowed to post. You accused tandempower of being rude. You were mistaken.

Jim from Boston

FWIW as one who has been on this thread since page 1, I have assiduously tried to understand and reply to the OP, and here’s my conclusions:

Quote:

Originally Posted by tandempower

…in short,the idea is to go out and do something without driving at all, not because you want to LCF in general but because you want to LCF for a day, or at least a few hours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roody

…a lot of vacations are carfree,such as cruises,resorts, train tours of europe, helicopter skiing,etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston

i have been avidly replying to this thread…with the idea that the thread was referring to broader activities like daytrips and vacations. “Going out” seems a pretty limited opportunity to take a bike ride, when the destination is more important than the transportation.

350htrr

I also think a purposeful LCF activity "makes it a purposeful" LCF activity, thus Car-Heavy's will NOT apply... My scenarios are about the only way a car-heavy person is going to go and do car light things, drive to where one does things where driving is not required to do them once you are there...

tandempower

What I get from this is that you find it out-of-the-ordinary and uncomfortable to go out by walking/bike when the destination/route is usually something you'd drive to/for. I know people like this. I take a walk or a bike ride someplace they would drive and they basically just dismiss the route I'm telling them about as a driving route, as if there's some kind of non-competition agreement for driving routes that drivers can't walk there. Maybe they would feel like other drivers would look at them like they were crazy or like they ran out of money or something and that's why they had to walk/bike.

Jim from Boston

Huh?

jon c. 

But there are a lot of us old folks. And we hope to be around for more than 2 or 3 years

Jim from Boston

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston

...So I think that to purposefully make “going out” an LCF activity, makes it an LCF activity with an intended destination. For me it’s only ordinary and comfortable to go out LCF when the destination/activity and route makes it an ordinary outing.

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Originally Posted by tandempower

WhatI get from this is that you find it out-of-the-ordinary and uncomfortable to go out by walking/bike when the destination/route is usually something you'd drive to/for. I know people like this. I take a walk or a bike ride someplace theywould drive and they basically just dismiss the route I'm telling them about as a driving route, as if there's some kind of non-competition agreement for driving routes that drivers can't walk there. Maybe they would feel like other drivers would look at them like they were crazy or like they ran out of mone yor something and that's why they had to walk/bike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston

Huh?

Maybe better said, "So I think that to purposefully make “going out” an LCF activity, makes it an LCF activity with an intended destination. For me it’s only suitable to go out LCF when the destination/activity and route makes it a suitable LCF outing."

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Originally Posted by 350htrr

I also think a purposeful LCF activity "makes it a purposeful" LCF activity, thus Car-Heavy's will NOT apply... My scenarios are about the only way a car-heavy person is going to go and do car light things, drive to where one does things where driving is not required todo them once you are there...

But I think the whole concept of this thread is that one does not drive to participate in a car free outing (and thus is virtually by definition a limited activity, since one has to return home without driving).

Machka 

Thanks ... and no, it was my second time up, and Rowan's 5th or 6th time up.

We're sort of casually chatting about doing it again in the not too distant future.

Machka 

+1

Rowan and I often do these car-free weekends where we drive to our destination. Park the van. Then spend the weekend cycling and walking.

We did that at Christmas.

Drove out to where we spent Christmas on Christmas Eve. Parked the van. Cycled and walked on Christmas Day and Boxing Day. Then drove home on the next day.

But for 2 days, we didn't use the van at all. We could have ... but it was more fun to cycle.

tandempower

Yes, for an outing to be carfree it would have to be within walking/biking range.

Maybe an interesting sub-discussion is how far you'd consider a pleasant car-free outing to do something like go out to a restaurant, go to a movie, etc. if you weren't LCF for the sake of LCF. I.e. would you walk a mile to go out to eat, 2 miles? i.e. just to enjoy the walk before and after the meal, to aid digestion, etc.?

350htrr

BUT.. Your whole premise is how to get car-heavies to do LCF kind of things, great. But that just isn't going to happen. They "may" actually go on a 5Km hike once they get to a park that has a path worth the walk/hike... But most people would rather ride than walk to the nearest restaurants, and they would more than likely need to drive a car to get to the park... JMO