Benzoil

Hello,
I have a pair of Super Champion Arc-En-Ciel tubular rims laced to Campagnolo Record hubs. I would like to replace the tubular rims with clinchers. I'm a bit of a newbie with this kind of stuff and not sure if this can be done. From what I've researched the rims are sized 700c. I just want to make sure that 700c tubulars are equivilant to 700c clinchers. I have my eye on these Mavic rims and was wondering if these would fit:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-mavi...item2569547810

Thanks for your help!

Bianchigirll 

Hello Benzoil welcome to the forums. the short answer is if your hubs are 36h then yes these rims will fit. However you will need new spokes as the clincher rims will have a slightly smaller diameter at the nipple holes.

also at just over $200 I think that is a crazy price for a pair of MA2 rims. checkout some Sun rims first.

Alan Edwards

You can buy new wheels for less then those rims and have two sets. Are your hubs 120mm OLD or 126mm OLD ??? You can buy a set of wheels with shiny rims for a freewheel for 120$. Buy an extra freewheel for 20$ or 30$

Benzoil

Thanks for the information. The hubs are 120mm OLD and 36h. I'm building up a vintage frame and trying to use as much vintage components as possible, however I'm finding vintage rims to be pretty costly. I'd like to keep the campy hubs so maybe I'll take Bianchigirll's advise and go with Sun rims like these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ringle-C...item336e35ed21

Thanks again for your help!

Bianchigirll 

are you building the wheels yourself? don't forget to add about $1 ea for spokes and between $50 to 80 for labor for the pair.

check the Trade and for sale threads on here. they may not be Campi hubs but odds are you can find a good deal on some nice old wheels

ciocc_cat

Ditto on this.

rootboy 

The Suns are pretty nice rims, but if you want a similar width to the old Super Champion rims, the Sun M 13 II is a nicer looking rim, in my opinion. The polished ones. I use 1 1/8 inch tires on my M 13 II 27 inch rims, or one inch if you like skinnier tires. On the 700c Suns I would think you could go 24 to 32 mm or something like that. But somebody here can verify that or not.
And, if you're planning on getting rid of the tubular rims, please check here first

fietsbob

That is pretty much why 700c clinchers are that diameter,
spare wheels interchangeable with those with tubular tire rims.

hagen2456

If you want to keep the vintage look of tubular rims, you should either try Ebay.fr where you'll find MA2's og Module E's a lot cheaper than on Ebay.com, or go for the Velo Orange PB rims. Please, please don't buy anything with the least bit of "profile".

John E

You are probably two steps ahead of me on this, but avoid black rims, which I have (and hate) on two of my bikes.

Benzoil

I really like these from VO:
https://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...26mm-700c.html

I have 120mm rear spacing though. On Harris Cyclery site they're selling a wheelset with 126mm rear hub spacing and says "will usually fit OK in 120 frames". Has anyone fitted the VO Grand Cru to a 120mm frame?

Captain Blight

Oh, please don't do it. Keep the tubulars. Even cheap sewups ride *so* nice. I was intimidated by them until I took the plunge with my Pro, and I am now a convert.

Vittoria makes a perfectly acceptable tubular tire that retails for about $40, has an anti-puncture layer, and rides like buttah. Seriously, before you go to the expense of a wheel build, don't you think it's worth at least trying them out? If you find it's not for you, then sell the gear on down the road.

Benzoil

It looks like the VO Grand Cru fixed gear wheelset is 120mm but will allow for a 5 speed freewheel:

https://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...lset-700c.html

Anyone know if this is the case?

Alan Edwards

Oh forgot to ask, are you going to clinchers to get away from tubulars for the price or ease of fixing. Yellow jersey in WI, I think Madison, has new tubulars for $20. Have you built wheels before ??? I have never seen a frame of 120mm OLD that would not hold a 126mm OLD wheel. Tubulars never go out of style, they are always more cool then clinchers.

Benzoil

I wanted to get clinchers for ease of fixing (and cost). I'll probably end up keeping the tubulars for future builds. So if the 126mm should fit my 120mm frame I might go with the VeloOrange wheelset. The 120mm fixed gear wheelset they offer is a bit cheaper and I may go that route if the rear hub can take a 5 speed freewheel. Anyone know if these can take freewheels? I think these VeloOrange wheels will look good on my orange Crescent Pepita!

khatfull

@Captain Blight, sage advice.

Captain Blight

**modest shrug**

Well, I do it for a living, you know. I contribute my mite.

I've got about 200 miles on the tubies on my Pro and I think I'm going to build another wheelset for the Trek so I can use those *****in' Tufo 28mm file-tread tires with the red sidewalls. Because, you know, Daddy needs his medicine.

hagen2456

They will. That's what I had on my Pepita untill I switched those wheels to another bike which I sold. The Pepita has now got NR hubs and Module E rims. Even better, aesthetically, I'd say.

hagen2456

Isn't it like "common knowledge" that anti-puncture layers will ruin any tyre? (Just asking, not trying to start a new tubulars vs clinchers war.)

hagen2456

I don't know if it will allow for a 5-speed freewheel, but you won't find it easy to get hold of one in decent quality which will work together with your derailleur (NR, I guess?). Sometimes, though, Shimanos pop up on German Ebay in 13-26T.

If you go the 126mm OLD you'll probably have room for a 6-speed freewheel. May make things a bit easier.

Ecrevisse

Keeping looking around and you will find some rims at a fair price. I just checked eBay and found these, in Paris.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-CHAMPI...item5647124b0c

Suntour makes/made Ultra 6 freewheels that fit on 120mm spaced rear hubs.

Benzoil

Did you have the 126mm rear wheelset from VO? Does your Pepita have 120mm rear spacing? What kind of freewheel did you have on the VO wheelset? Sorry for all the questions...Thanks!

hagen2456

Let's see... I did not have the whole wheel set, only the rims, sorry. Freewheel was Regina, on GS hub, I think. 120 mm OLD. My son used to ride on a 120 mm expanded to 126. Worked fine.

hagen2456

They do fit, but mounting the wheel in the dropouts can be a pain in the ***, at least on the Pepita!

Searching for "jantes mavic" https://shop.ebay.fr/i.html?_trksid=p...w=jantes+mavic may get you those rims a bit cheaper. Be aware that "boyau/-x" means tubular/-s. Clinchers is "pneus".

3alarmer 

But what about baby's need for a new pair of shoes?