fleetfoot

Just added the speedplay extender plates to my cleats and moved the cleats back. They feel perfect now but I noticed a fair amount of toe overlap with the front wheel if the foot is forward and the wheel turns beyond 15 degrees. Assume that I can remember to put feet vertical on sharp turns but has anyone forgotten and had a problem with this before? i.e. is it likely that one could ever catch your foot and crash, or is this a remote possibility?

Walter

Paranoia.

They all overlap to some degree or another. Maybe an issue during a slow 180 degree turn if you're not careful. Otherwise? I doubt you'll ever notice.

michaelmc

If you're turning the wheel that much on sharp turns, you're doing something wrong.

Some overlap is fine.

AEO

possible, but I haven't done that at all this year.
Just practice doing some track stands in the grass and this issue becomes moot.
you only really need about 5° of steering both ways to maneuver a bike going over 3mph

spinerguy

Actually I almost went down at a red light when yours truly avoided unclipping by trackstanding ( you have to rock a bit back and forth) It's a delicate balance that cannot be upset.

Well it's only a problem at very, very low speeds.

Mr. Beanz

I have a 58 Cannodale with a raked fork, no problem. My latest ride is a 57 Lemond with a straight blade fork. I was shocked the first time I went for a ride. I did hit the tire with my toe. I wa worried about it but the fit fits like a glove as far as everything els. Seems that once I knew it was ther, I haven't touched the tire again in nearly 3 years.

TRhe other thing that got me was a standing wrpint while climbing. I almpost flipped over the HB's. Not sure if it was teh straigth blade fork or compact sloping top tube geometry that got me. Hasn't happened since. I guess it happens with a new ride and new feel!

kill.cactus

Toe overlap poses more of a problem when you're making low speed, tight maneuvers since your wheel will be turned much more sharply than when you're making a high speed turn that isn't nearly as tight.

Toe overlap will happen on almost every bike with responsive geometry - I don't see how it'd be possible to have a responsive bike without having to have the front wheel venture into the foot territory unless the crank and BB is moved back, making the bike longer and thus less responsive... and the cycle goes on

yeah, it isn't too much of a problem

mrrabbit 

If you pay attention to it...it's a problem...

If you ignore it...it won't be a problem...


Any questions?

=8-)

carpediemracing 

After the first close call you tend to remember to turn sharply with the pedals a little more up and down, stutter pedaling if necessary to keep the bike moving (uphill etc). As someone that's never ridden a bike that doesn't overlap and who normally does trackstands, I can say that I only think about it when I see threads asking if it's a problem

Seriously though, you should be fine. You'll have to think about it when you're turning around on a narrow sidewalk etc but after a while it becomes second nature, like lifting the inside pedal if coasting through a turn.

As a note, the front-center of the frame (distance from BB to front dropouts) primarily determines toe clip overlap (along with shoe size and cleat position). If you have a long frame, it has less overlap (or none). If you have a short frame, it has overlap. Fork "curve" is not a factor since the frame was designed with a particular fork rake in mind, and either a straight blade or curved blade fork can be used to reach the same rake. I believe with Lemond frames that the laid back seat tube pulls the whole front of the bike closer to the middle, but I may be mistaken here.

cdr

fleetfoot

Thanks to everyone who weighed in on this subject. Today was my first chance for a ride and despite trying as hard as I could I could not cause a problem with the toe overlap. I realized that most turn is generated by leaning rather than turning the wheel unless one is almost at a dead stop. Despite considerable overlap on speedplays with my Wilier Cento there was no problem. The metal plates on the speedplay extensions feel much more solid than the original plastic ones and the pedal position is now optimal. Forza!

bbattle

It's a problem for fixed gear riders; roadies just learn to coast with their feet out of the way during a slow, sharp turn.