Is steel real ? I dont know but i'm about to find out.
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Very nice
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its true temper I think. I know they used to use 853. somebody correct me if im wrong please
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Get Ti. Steel tries to be Ti but it fails.
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I'm 55 years old and have been riding bicycles since circa 1961. I got my first "10-speed" in 1972 and am blessed to have had opportunities to ride some of the finest (and not-so-fine) steel, aluminum, wood (yes, WOOD) and CF frames in my day. IMHO, nothing matches the overall ride qualities/performance/durability of a fine, lightweight hand-crafted steel frame. Your Gunnar is a real beauty - enjoy!
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Nice Roadie--its one of the frames on my list kind of, although I've always been a little amused with Schwinn/Waterfords keeping to the 70's/80's style steep angled geometry.
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Steel is pretty much real. Makes for nice riding and handling bikes. I haven't ridden anything modern and high end but I'm pretty sure they won't be as rigid (power transfer wise) as a good CF or oversized alu frame.
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ill put on my big boy pants one day and go Ti. Also need the funds. It'll be a while b/c im still pretty far from 50
all kidding aside if I had the funds I would have considered a Ti bike or a lugged steel frame.
all kidding aside if I had the funds I would have considered a Ti bike or a lugged steel frame.
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30 for me, when I got my Litespeed Classic.
(Sorry for the thread hijack.)
The Gunnar looks sweet!
(Sorry for the thread hijack.)
The Gunnar looks sweet!
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I've been riding my brother's steel Kelly frame since the beginning of this year. I've loved the feel of it compared to the aluminum road bike I had more than 10 years ago. That said, I'm a heavy guy over 270, so it was a little flexy for me. I've been riding a Seven Sola (mtn bike) for over a decade now , and finally got a ti road bike, a Litespeed Palmares, last week. It's stiff as I need it to be for my grand physique. But is soaks up road vibration well. You look like a thinner guy so I'm sure you'll love the feel of steel. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the bike. I considered a Gunnar as well. That one looks sweet!
Enjoy the new ride
Enjoy the new ride
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Hah. Ride a bike made with S3 tubing and you will realize how "over" Ti is, at least for road use.
We sell a lot of Gunnars. I ride an R33 Waterford. I've had it for 6 years. Several very nice CF machines have come and gone-including two Madone 6-series bikes, but the Waterford stays. It's not trendy and it fits perfectly. And weighs 16.8lbs ready to ride with pedals, cages, the carbon fork mounted and a Garmin 705. I have two forks for it. One is an Ouzo Pro, (Painted to match the frame, of course :-) )and the other is a steel fork built with a Henry James crown. I'd have to say, with the CF fork and its smaller rake, the bike feels a little better due to the increased trail, but the steel fork is actually a little more plush. had guy with a nice Orbea fall completely out-of-love with his CF wonderbike after riding my "old skool" steel bike....
It's also nice to call up Waterford and occasionally have "King Richard" Schwinn answer the phone.
We sell a lot of Gunnars. I ride an R33 Waterford. I've had it for 6 years. Several very nice CF machines have come and gone-including two Madone 6-series bikes, but the Waterford stays. It's not trendy and it fits perfectly. And weighs 16.8lbs ready to ride with pedals, cages, the carbon fork mounted and a Garmin 705. I have two forks for it. One is an Ouzo Pro, (Painted to match the frame, of course :-) )and the other is a steel fork built with a Henry James crown. I'd have to say, with the CF fork and its smaller rake, the bike feels a little better due to the increased trail, but the steel fork is actually a little more plush. had guy with a nice Orbea fall completely out-of-love with his CF wonderbike after riding my "old skool" steel bike....
It's also nice to call up Waterford and occasionally have "King Richard" Schwinn answer the phone.
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Gunnars are nice, but the logo is hideous.
I'd still own one if the opportunity arises, though.
I'd still own one if the opportunity arises, though.
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I ride an R33 Waterford. I've had it for 6 years. Several very nice CF machines have come and gone-including two Madone 6-series bikes, but the Waterford stays. It's not trendy and it fits perfectly. And weighs 16.8lbs ready to ride with pedals, cages, the carbon fork mounted and a Garmin 705. I have two forks for it. One is an Ouzo Pro, (Painted to match the frame, of course :-) )and the other is a steel fork built with a Henry James crown. I'd have to say, with the CF fork and its smaller rake, the bike feels a little better due to the increased trail, but the steel fork is actually a little more plush. had guy with a nice Orbea fall completely out-of-love with his CF wonderbike after riding my "old skool" steel bike....
It's also nice to call up Waterford and occasionally have "King Richard" Schwinn answer the phone.
It's also nice to call up Waterford and occasionally have "King Richard" Schwinn answer the phone.
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It's quite stiff at the bottom bracket, if that's what you're reffering to, and I'm over 200#.
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Doesn't S3 have a weight limit as well? I remember looking at a few frames and each had a limit of around 150. Not sure I've seen a Ti frame state weight limits before.
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I don't think so. I can find aluminum and carbon on the periodic table but not steel. The only possible conclusion is that steel isn't real.
It's still a pretty nice bike.
It's still a pretty nice bike.
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that bike is so red.
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My carbon/aluminum road bike has been gathering dust since I built up a True Temper cross frame a few months ago. Sure it is heavier, but the ride is fantastic. If I'm going out for a 3-4 hour spin, it is hard to resist choosing the steel ride.
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Marc Muller at Waterford is a big dude and rides (I believe) a 64CM S-3 built frame. That tubing comes in three sets with differing draws for varying frame size ranges. Perhaps you saw a frame built with the lightest set. After riding it for the first time, Marc is said to remarked "wow....where do we go from here? How can you make this better?"