Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Is steel real ? I dont know but i'm about to find out.

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Is steel real ? I dont know but i'm about to find out.

Old 09-23-10, 04:16 PM
  #26  
longbeachgary
Senior Member
 
longbeachgary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Beautiful Long Beach California
Posts: 3,603

Bikes: Eddy Merckx San Remo 76, Eddy Merckx San Remo 76 - Black Silver and Red, Eddy Merckx Sallanches 64 (2); Eddy Merckx MXL;

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 143 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Very nice
longbeachgary is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 04:25 PM
  #27  
littlewing6283
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
littlewing6283's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by logdrum
What happened to to 6282 6283? It looks really nice. Too bad they started making Rival in Carbon. I have the first gen which is all alloy. Is this 853 or Columbus?
83 sounds better than 82

its true temper I think. I know they used to use 853. somebody correct me if im wrong please
littlewing6283 is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 06:20 PM
  #28  
Fleabiscuit
Senior Member
 
Fleabiscuit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 547
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Beautiful ride. I'm guessing that CAAAD9 is going to be gathering dust very soon. The Waterford/Gunnar is a million times cooler.
Fleabiscuit is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 06:20 PM
  #29  
patentcad
Peloton Shelter Dog
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Posts: 90,508

Bikes: 2017 Scott Foil, 2016 Scott Addict SL, 2018 Santa Cruz Blur CC MTB

Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1142 Post(s)
Liked 28 Times in 22 Posts
Get Ti. Steel tries to be Ti but it fails.
patentcad is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 06:43 PM
  #30  
scotch
purity of essence
 
scotch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NH
Posts: 2,260

Bikes: 2018 Giant Trance 2, 2019 Trek Farley 7, 2017 Jamis Renegade Exploit

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 26 Times in 11 Posts
Originally Posted by patentcad
Get Ti. Steel tries to be Ti but it fails.
the OP must be over 50 to ride Ti. everyone knows this.
scotch is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 07:04 PM
  #31  
ciocc_cat
"Chooch"
 
ciocc_cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Prairieville, Louisiana
Posts: 1,659

Bikes: Late 1990s Ciocc Titan

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I'm 55 years old and have been riding bicycles since circa 1961. I got my first "10-speed" in 1972 and am blessed to have had opportunities to ride some of the finest (and not-so-fine) steel, aluminum, wood (yes, WOOD) and CF frames in my day. IMHO, nothing matches the overall ride qualities/performance/durability of a fine, lightweight hand-crafted steel frame. Your Gunnar is a real beauty - enjoy!
ciocc_cat is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 07:59 PM
  #32  
pigmode
works for truffles
 
pigmode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,037
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Nice Roadie--its one of the frames on my list kind of, although I've always been a little amused with Schwinn/Waterfords keeping to the 70's/80's style steep angled geometry.
pigmode is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 08:02 PM
  #33  
patentcad
Peloton Shelter Dog
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Posts: 90,508

Bikes: 2017 Scott Foil, 2016 Scott Addict SL, 2018 Santa Cruz Blur CC MTB

Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1142 Post(s)
Liked 28 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by scotch
the OP must be over 50 to ride Ti. everyone knows this.
I wasn't over 50 when I got my Ibis Ti Road. I was 37. I can't kill this bike. Still feels new.
patentcad is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 08:13 PM
  #34  
mazdaspeed
Senior Member
 
mazdaspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: WA state
Posts: 4,823
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Steel is pretty much real. Makes for nice riding and handling bikes. I haven't ridden anything modern and high end but I'm pretty sure they won't be as rigid (power transfer wise) as a good CF or oversized alu frame.
mazdaspeed is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 08:13 PM
  #35  
littlewing6283
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
littlewing6283's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 147
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by patentcad
Get Ti. Steel tries to be Ti but it fails.
ill put on my big boy pants one day and go Ti. Also need the funds. It'll be a while b/c im still pretty far from 50

all kidding aside if I had the funds I would have considered a Ti bike or a lugged steel frame.

Last edited by littlewing6283; 09-23-10 at 08:14 PM. Reason: typo
littlewing6283 is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 08:14 PM
  #36  
ciocc_cat
"Chooch"
 
ciocc_cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Prairieville, Louisiana
Posts: 1,659

Bikes: Late 1990s Ciocc Titan

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by pigmode
Nice Roadie--its one of the frames on my list kind of, although I've always been a little amused with Schwinn/Waterfords keeping to the 70's/80's style steep angled geometry.
Perhaps they build them that way because it still works?
ciocc_cat is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 09:25 PM
  #37  
tuxbailey
Senior Member
 
tuxbailey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Elkridge, MD
Posts: 1,300

Bikes: 2012 Guru Praemio R - 2001 Jamis Ventura - 1990 Specialized Hard Rock (with original tires) - 2012 Trek Cobias

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked 6 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by patentcad
I wasn't over 50 when I got my Ibis Ti Road. I was 37. I can't kill this bike. Still feels new.
Dang ... I couldn't beat you. I was 38 when I got mine.
tuxbailey is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 09:27 PM
  #38  
HigherGround
Descends Like Avalanche
 
HigherGround's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Somewhere between Funkytown and Margaritaville, PA
Posts: 5,769

Bikes: Lynskey R240, Sportive, and a Helix Sport disc model in the works; Eddy Merckx MX Leader; Specialized Rock Hopper Comp (1988!)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
30 for me, when I got my Litespeed Classic.

(Sorry for the thread hijack.)

The Gunnar looks sweet!
__________________
The rider in my avatar is David Etxebarria, not me.
HigherGround is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 10:53 PM
  #39  
El Conquistador De Amore
Senior Member
 
El Conquistador De Amore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Atlanta, GA. The city too busy to do anything well.
Posts: 148

Bikes: Litespeed Palmares.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've been riding my brother's steel Kelly frame since the beginning of this year. I've loved the feel of it compared to the aluminum road bike I had more than 10 years ago. That said, I'm a heavy guy over 270, so it was a little flexy for me. I've been riding a Seven Sola (mtn bike) for over a decade now , and finally got a ti road bike, a Litespeed Palmares, last week. It's stiff as I need it to be for my grand physique. But is soaks up road vibration well. You look like a thinner guy so I'm sure you'll love the feel of steel. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the bike. I considered a Gunnar as well. That one looks sweet!

Enjoy the new ride

Last edited by El Conquistador De Amore; 09-23-10 at 11:04 PM.
El Conquistador De Amore is offline  
Old 09-23-10, 11:12 PM
  #40  
BikeWise1
30 YR Wrench
 
BikeWise1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Oxford, OH
Posts: 2,006

Bikes: Waterford R-33, Madone 6.5, Trek 520

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by patentcad
Get Ti. Steel tries to be Ti but it fails.
Hah. Ride a bike made with S3 tubing and you will realize how "over" Ti is, at least for road use.

We sell a lot of Gunnars. I ride an R33 Waterford. I've had it for 6 years. Several very nice CF machines have come and gone-including two Madone 6-series bikes, but the Waterford stays. It's not trendy and it fits perfectly. And weighs 16.8lbs ready to ride with pedals, cages, the carbon fork mounted and a Garmin 705. I have two forks for it. One is an Ouzo Pro, (Painted to match the frame, of course :-) )and the other is a steel fork built with a Henry James crown. I'd have to say, with the CF fork and its smaller rake, the bike feels a little better due to the increased trail, but the steel fork is actually a little more plush. had guy with a nice Orbea fall completely out-of-love with his CF wonderbike after riding my "old skool" steel bike....

It's also nice to call up Waterford and occasionally have "King Richard" Schwinn answer the phone.
BikeWise1 is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 12:05 AM
  #41  
frpax
Steel is real, baby!
 
frpax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,534

Bikes: 1984 Pinarello, 1986 Bianchi Portofino, 1988 Bianchi Trofeo, 1989 Specialized Allez, 1989 Specialized Hard Rock, 2001 Litespeed Tuscany

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Gunnars are nice, but the logo is hideous.

I'd still own one if the opportunity arises, though.
frpax is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 06:44 AM
  #42  
StanSeven
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Delaware shore
Posts: 13,569

Bikes: Cervelo C5, Guru Photon, Waterford, Specialized CX

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1102 Post(s)
Liked 2,136 Times in 1,441 Posts
Originally Posted by BikeWise1
I ride an R33 Waterford. I've had it for 6 years. Several very nice CF machines have come and gone-including two Madone 6-series bikes, but the Waterford stays. It's not trendy and it fits perfectly. And weighs 16.8lbs ready to ride with pedals, cages, the carbon fork mounted and a Garmin 705. I have two forks for it. One is an Ouzo Pro, (Painted to match the frame, of course :-) )and the other is a steel fork built with a Henry James crown. I'd have to say, with the CF fork and its smaller rake, the bike feels a little better due to the increased trail, but the steel fork is actually a little more plush. had guy with a nice Orbea fall completely out-of-love with his CF wonderbike after riding my "old skool" steel bike....

It's also nice to call up Waterford and occasionally have "King Richard" Schwinn answer the phone.
I have a 2200 Waterford. Brought it 16 years ago and now also have am Ouzo Pro fork painted to match the frame. I also have a custom Ti and a CF. The steel still has a nice ride compared to the other two bike and it rides very similar to the Ti - both have the sma ewheels and tires. The Waterford is the most comfortale, probably because I had the Ti spec'd with stiff rear. The CF feels the quickest especially when sprinting (know that's just subjective). But I like and ride all three.
StanSeven is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 07:14 AM
  #43  
big john
Senior Member
 
big john's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 25,107
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8191 Post(s)
Liked 8,851 Times in 4,396 Posts
Originally Posted by littlewing6283
83 sounds better than 82

its true temper I think. I know they used to use 853. somebody correct me if im wrong please
Years ago they were 853. I have one from 2006 and it's True Temper OX Platinum tubing.

Originally Posted by mazdaspeed
Steel is pretty much real. Makes for nice riding and handling bikes. I haven't ridden anything modern and high end but I'm pretty sure they won't be as rigid (power transfer wise) as a good CF or oversized alu frame.
It's quite stiff at the bottom bracket, if that's what you're reffering to, and I'm over 200#.
big john is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 07:42 AM
  #44  
Blackdays
Boom.
 
Blackdays's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Pittsburgh -> Cleveland -> San Francisco
Posts: 2,523
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Needs more carbon.
Blackdays is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 09:09 AM
  #45  
knobster
.
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
Posts: 3,981

Bikes: Specialized Roubaix Comp, Soma ES

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by BikeWise1
Hah. Ride a bike made with S3 tubing and you will realize how "over" Ti is, at least for road use.
Doesn't S3 have a weight limit as well? I remember looking at a few frames and each had a limit of around 150. Not sure I've seen a Ti frame state weight limits before.
__________________
Demented internet tail wagging imbicile.
knobster is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 09:13 AM
  #46  
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Posts: 30,225

Bikes: Catrike 559 I own some others but they don't get ridden very much.

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1572 Post(s)
Liked 642 Times in 363 Posts
I don't think so. I can find aluminum and carbon on the periodic table but not steel. The only possible conclusion is that steel isn't real.

It's still a pretty nice bike.
Retro Grouch is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 09:31 AM
  #47  
coasting 
Still can't climb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Limey in Taiwan
Posts: 23,024
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
that bike is so red.
__________________
coasting, few quotes are worthy of him, and of those, even fewer printable in a family forum......quote 3alarmer

No @coasting, you should stay 100% as you are right now, don't change a thing....quote Heathpack
coasting is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 09:45 AM
  #48  
lukasz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: NYC - where bicycles go to die
Posts: 1,313
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
My carbon/aluminum road bike has been gathering dust since I built up a True Temper cross frame a few months ago. Sure it is heavier, but the ride is fantastic. If I'm going out for a 3-4 hour spin, it is hard to resist choosing the steel ride.
lukasz is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 11:43 AM
  #49  
pigmode
works for truffles
 
pigmode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,037
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ciocc_cat
Perhaps they build them that way because it still works?

Of course, plus the concept has been contemporized more or less. They are not doing the 74 or 74.5 degree HTAs and such.
pigmode is offline  
Old 09-24-10, 12:15 PM
  #50  
BikeWise1
30 YR Wrench
 
BikeWise1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Oxford, OH
Posts: 2,006

Bikes: Waterford R-33, Madone 6.5, Trek 520

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by knobster
Doesn't S3 have a weight limit as well? I remember looking at a few frames and each had a limit of around 150. Not sure I've seen a Ti frame state weight limits before.
Marc Muller at Waterford is a big dude and rides (I believe) a 64CM S-3 built frame. That tubing comes in three sets with differing draws for varying frame size ranges. Perhaps you saw a frame built with the lightest set. After riding it for the first time, Marc is said to remarked "wow....where do we go from here? How can you make this better?"
BikeWise1 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.