Good reason NOT to run a red light at night whilst riding a bicycle
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Good reason NOT to run a red light at night whilst riding a bicycle
Dark, dark colour bicycle, paossible no lights. Rider runs a red light. Result = not good for that bicyclist.
Teen in Serious Condition After His Bicycle Collides With Deputies? Patrol Car in Palmdale: LASD | KTLA
"The incident occurred around 11:20 p.m. Wednesday at the intersection of 47th Street East and Avenue S when the teen crossed the street against a red light, according to a statement from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
The deputies were traveling north on 47th Street with a green light and unable to stop in time when the bicyclist, who was heading east on Avenue S, rode in front of the patrol vehicle, the release states.
The teen was transported to a local hospital and is listed in serious condition, authorities said."
It's a good idea to stop for red lights rather than just blasting through them at speed.
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Teen in Serious Condition After His Bicycle Collides With Deputies? Patrol Car in Palmdale: LASD | KTLA
"The incident occurred around 11:20 p.m. Wednesday at the intersection of 47th Street East and Avenue S when the teen crossed the street against a red light, according to a statement from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
The deputies were traveling north on 47th Street with a green light and unable to stop in time when the bicyclist, who was heading east on Avenue S, rode in front of the patrol vehicle, the release states.
The teen was transported to a local hospital and is listed in serious condition, authorities said."
It's a good idea to stop for red lights rather than just blasting through them at speed.
Cheers
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wow sad story . . . I wonder how long until someone jumps on the fact that he was black and insists that the cops were TRYING to kill him.
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We don't need conspiracy theories, but OTOH we only have the deputies' word for the fact that they had the light. I don't want to start a flame war, but police running reds without lights and sirens is fairly common, and I suspect that when the cyclist is heard from there may be some disagreement on the light.
Of course, unless there's a dash cam showing the event, people will believe what they want to believe.
For my part, I reserve any judgement until there's more info, but hope for the best possible recovery for the rider.
Of course, unless there's a dash cam showing the event, people will believe what they want to believe.
For my part, I reserve any judgement until there's more info, but hope for the best possible recovery for the rider.
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On a side note.
The phrase "running a red" or stop sign carries the image of going straight through without pausing to check traffic. That's often true, but more common is slowing or stopping, then proceeding across before the light turns green.
Many of us might call this an "Idaho stop", referencing the state where it's legal, but I wish we had a better alternative to running a red to describe how many cyclists cautiously and safely proceed through these intersections.
The phrase "running a red" or stop sign carries the image of going straight through without pausing to check traffic. That's often true, but more common is slowing or stopping, then proceeding across before the light turns green.
Many of us might call this an "Idaho stop", referencing the state where it's legal, but I wish we had a better alternative to running a red to describe how many cyclists cautiously and safely proceed through these intersections.
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Err ... isn't it always a bad idea to run a red light?
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Yes, so my question is what to call it when cyclists safely cross against the light?
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Talk about low hanging fruit. Was this really the best you could do given all the time you took to come up with this? He was a kid! Teen's do all kinds of stupid things. Was he even able to post here according to TOS? You insult my intelligence and the intelligence of anyone legally entitled to participate in this forum if this is the kind of PSA you supply to spread your particular brand of sage wisdom. Be ashamed.
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If you were referring to my post, I just want to be clear that I didn't mean to imply any intent. I was simply referencing that we only have the driver's word about who had the light. This is often a matter of contention later on.
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Talk about low hanging fruit. Was this really the best you could do given all the time you took to come up with this? He was a kid! Teen's do all kinds of stupid things. Was he even able to post here according to TOS? You insult my intelligence and the intelligence of anyone legally entitled to participate in this forum if this is the kind of PSA you supply to spread your particular brand of sage wisdom. Be ashamed.
I've seen many cases where bicyclists have blown through a red light and were either hit by a motor vehicle or very nearly hit be one. that's why it's NOT a good idea to "BLOW through or RUN" a red light. Idaho stops are an entirely different thing. I'm referring to those bicyclists who do NOT SLOW DOWN OR LOOK BEFORE riding across an intersection where the light facing them is RED.
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Whether there's a light or not, it's a poor plan to go through any intersection at speed if you can't clearly ascertain there's no traffic.
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Remember, these are Los Angeles County Sheriff’s claiming they had the green light.
Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is one of the worst in the country.
How often do we see race left out of public statements. So why did Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department include it in an initial report in this case?
Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is one of the worst in the country.
How often do we see race left out of public statements. So why did Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department include it in an initial report in this case?
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Around here, and especially where I worked the lights had little meaning. A green offered little protection because the number of red light runners (cars) was too high, so I treated ALL intersections as if they were unregulated and went when it was safe regardless of the light.
One little irony would be when I'd roll up to a red where a police car was stopped. I'd stop alongside, and often the officer would roll down the window and ask me why I was waiting.
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I would have guessed that all LA based LEO cars would have always on dash cams.
but I would be really surprised if there wasn't any recording from a business?
There is ALWAYS disagreements over "who ran the light"
It is rare for anyone to say "the accident was my fault-I ran the light-injured that person"
No video-
perhaps there is an event recorder -cop car braking-
and an accurate RED LIGHT event recorder after accident-should line up with GREEN LIGHT RECORDER
There MUST be event recorders for both?
but I would be really surprised if there wasn't any recording from a business?
There is ALWAYS disagreements over "who ran the light"
It is rare for anyone to say "the accident was my fault-I ran the light-injured that person"
No video-
perhaps there is an event recorder -cop car braking-
and an accurate RED LIGHT event recorder after accident-should line up with GREEN LIGHT RECORDER
There MUST be event recorders for both?
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Meanwhile our local first road fatality of 2017 is a cyclist said to have "blown the stop sign". Though since he's dead I guess we are taking the word of the driver on that.
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A stop sign requires more than a stop. It also requires yielding before proceeding. So, if the cyclist had a stop sign, and got hit in the intersection, then it doesn't matter whether he stopped or not, because the collision implies that he failed to yield.
That's unless you're implying that the driver moved the stop sign.
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I don't want to disrespect the dead, but we don't need or care about the driver's word here.
A stop sign requires more than a stop. It also requires yielding before proceeding. So, if the cyclist had a stop sign, and got hit in the intersection, then it doesn't matter whether he stopped or not, because the collision implies that he failed to yield.
That's unless you're implying that the driver moved the stop sign.
A stop sign requires more than a stop. It also requires yielding before proceeding. So, if the cyclist had a stop sign, and got hit in the intersection, then it doesn't matter whether he stopped or not, because the collision implies that he failed to yield.
That's unless you're implying that the driver moved the stop sign.
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But feel free to argue.
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Fact is the intersection is a T intersection, one stop sign on a dead end road. Wainae Valley Rd is 25 mph.
But you should give it up about "facts." This thread is now yet another post fact litter box.
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Dark, dark colour bicycle, paossible no lights. Rider runs a red light. Result = not good for that bicyclist.
Teen in Serious Condition After His Bicycle Collides With Deputies? Patrol Car in Palmdale: LASD | KTLA
"The incident occurred around 11:20 p.m. Wednesday at the intersection of 47th Street East and Avenue S when the teen crossed the street against a red light, according to a statement from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
The deputies were traveling north on 47th Street with a green light and unable to stop in time when the bicyclist, who was heading east on Avenue S, rode in front of the patrol vehicle, the release states.
The teen was transported to a local hospital and is listed in serious condition, authorities said."
It's a good idea to stop for red lights rather than just blasting through them at speed.
Cheers
Teen in Serious Condition After His Bicycle Collides With Deputies? Patrol Car in Palmdale: LASD | KTLA
"The incident occurred around 11:20 p.m. Wednesday at the intersection of 47th Street East and Avenue S when the teen crossed the street against a red light, according to a statement from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
The deputies were traveling north on 47th Street with a green light and unable to stop in time when the bicyclist, who was heading east on Avenue S, rode in front of the patrol vehicle, the release states.
The teen was transported to a local hospital and is listed in serious condition, authorities said."
It's a good idea to stop for red lights rather than just blasting through them at speed.
Cheers