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Old 10-24-20, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy
It's easy to say that core is not an issue if one is young (say under 50) and has been riding consistently for many years. If core is not an issue, then why do so many riders complain about sore backs?
Bad position and/or a lack of substantial time in the desired position.

Newer riders complain about their butts hurting, too. No one recommends butt exercises. New stimuli can be uncomfortable. It's a given.

All the core strength, back strength, arm strength, leg strength any of the people on this board need (myself included), can be earned on the bike. Along with the substantially more vital aerobic conditioning.

If your goal is overall fitness/health/whatever, then have at it. But the propensity to assert that core strength exercises are some magic bullet for on the bike performance is misplaced.
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Old 10-24-20, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy
It's easy to say that core is not an issue if one is young (say under 50) and has been riding consistently for many years. If core is not an issue, then why do so many riders complain about sore backs? Danielson's book was of course not written by Danielson, rather by his strength trainer. People do have strength trainers. I don't know if that makes it more or less valid, which depends on one's preconceived notions of what does and doesn't work. IME strength training works when done in a compatible fashion to one's main sport.

Strength training works for any endurance sport. Google "elite marathon strength training", then "elite cycling strength training". There's also this for those interested: https://www.bikeforums.net/training-...e-athlete.html
There is a lot of natural deterioration of muscle tone and strength beginning around the 50's. It can be overcome with simple exercises (like the excellent suggestion of hanging from your arms every day which I got from you) but the point is, after a certain age, you can no longer take for granted that certain muscles will remain toned and useful without additional work.

Just look at a typical teenager. They can live off sodas, candy, and fast food, look great, and still be fairly athletic without hardly ever training. Try eating like that in your 40's or 50's, with an occasional light workout, and see how your body reacts to that.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval
Bad position and/or a lack of substantial time in the desired position.

Newer riders complain about their butts hurting, too. No one recommends butt exercises. New stimuli can be uncomfortable. It's a given.<snip>
But I do recommend butt exercises, specifically riding one's bike consistently for short periods. Nothing to do with new stimuli, but rather oxygen deprivation in the compressed tissues. Like our muscles, those tissues also adapt to stress.
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I first heard of core strength in the 1970s and it was core strength for cycling. No, this is not a new fashionable concept. It has been around.

Look at how cyclists are built. Please do not look at some new gym rat who landed a pro contract for responding well to the doping program. Look at Greg Lemond, Francesco Moser, Eddy Merckx. They are built like tree trunks. They have no waist. Even at 3-5% bod fat, no waist. Some core strength there.
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