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Old 03-16-20, 02:35 PM
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Cycling is an essential activity under SF Bay Are shelter-in place order

The Santa Clara County, San Mateo County, and San Francisco City/County orders allow recreational cycling. They appear identical suggesting the same is true in the other three counties.

Santa Clara: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/Dis...er-031620.aspx
San Mateo https://cmo.smcgov.org/sites/cmo.smc...20200316_0.pdf
San Francisco https://www.sfdph.org/dph/alerts/fil...r-in-Place.pdf



5. All travel, including, but not limited to, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit, except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited.
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10. Definitions and Exemptions.
a. For purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their residence only to perform any of the following "Essential Activities." But people at high risk of severe illness from COVID-19 and people who are sick are urged to stay in their residence to the extent possible except as necessary to seek medical care.
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iii. To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.

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Old 03-16-20, 04:11 PM
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I hope San Mateo will allow this too.
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I read that and didn't see anywhere that cycling will be permitted. Not mentioned where they mention walking, hiking or running; three activities that rarely have need of emergency services and hospital visits. Mow, maybe riding to the grocery store would be permitted. But group rides where a touch of wheels can be an ambulance ride?

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what if you are shelterless or live out of a van?
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5. All travel, including, but not limited to, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit, except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited. People must use public transit only for purposes of performing Essential Activities or to travel to and from work to operate Essential Businesses or maintain Essential Governmental Functions. People riding on public transit must comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in Section 10 below, to the greatest extent feasible. This Order allows travel into or out of the County to perform Essential Activities, operate Essential Businesses, or maintain Essential Governmental Functions.

Overcrowding jails might be happening..
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
I read that and didn't see anywhere that cycling will be permitted. Not mentioned where they mention walking, hiking or running; three activities that rarely have need of emergency services and hospital visits. Mow, maybe riding to the grocery store would be permitted. But group rides where a touch of wheels can be an ambulance ride?

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10. Definitions and Exemptions.
a. For purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their residence only to perform any of the following "Essential Activities." But people at high risk of severe illness from COVID-19 and people who are sick are urged to stay in their residence to the extent possible except as necessary to seek medical care.
iii. To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.
The text is searchable; the sections/subsections/paragraphs (e.g. iii.) are not.
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I never thought I would need to be a lawyer to go for a ride. Should I printout a list of valid reasons? Will anybody care? Iím 68 years old and riding is very important to me since I was a kid. I live in that same town and need to get out to be healthy.

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Crapping in the street will still be overlooked.
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It's too bad that this one topic has taken over every single discussion, and completely sucked all of the air out of the room everywhere for the last couple weeks. We need a COVID-19-Free Zone, where no discussions of the topic are allowed, maybe the BMX or Living Car Free Forum or something.
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It would be crazy to disallow people contagion-safe exercise.
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It's too bad that this one topic has taken over every single discussion, and completely sucked all of the air out of the room everywhere for the last couple weeks. We need a COVID-19-Free Zone, where no discussions of the topic are allowed, maybe the BMX or Living Car Free Forum or something.
Can I get an amen?!?!
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It's funny how they explicitly exempt all of the bum camps from these directives.
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It's funny how they explicitly exempt all of the bum camps from these directives.
Not really. Makes total sense if you give it some actual thought.
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to make it more confusing - this thread seems to have omitted the earlier part of the docs that says you cant ride:

5. All travel, including, but not limited to, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit, except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited.
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When the 1% get off their selfish, bloated backsides and learn to SHARE, the impoverished will disappear....

They already have enough stacked against them.... Extend sympathy from your relatively safe homes... they haven't one.
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Originally Posted by Joe Bikerider View Post
I never thought I would need to be a lawyer to go for a ride. Should I printout a list of valid reasons? Will anybody care? Iím 68 years old and riding is very important to me since I was a kid. I live in that same town and need to get out to be healthy.
Are you saying that if you canít ride a bicycle recreationally for 2-4 weeks that you will be in danger?
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Old 03-17-20, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pokecheck View Post
to make it more confusing - this thread seems to have omitted the earlier part of the docs that says you cant ride:

5. All travel, including, but not limited to, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit, except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited.
Note the exceptions in Section 10.
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Are you saying that if you canít ride a bicycle recreationally for 2-4 weeks that you will be in danger?
Why should walking, running, and hiking be ok, but biking is not? Biking to the grocery store is ok (or Home Depot for that matter), but cycling around the same route my wife walks is not? These edicts don't have much rationale behind them. The likelihood of needing an ambulance is just as high if you are going to the grocery store as not, maybe higher. The rules should be about social distance if that is what they are concerned about.
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
Note the exceptions in Section 10.

Lawyer here--but the examples of the "outdoor activities" allowed without limitation do not include bicycling, and it appears that that exclusion might have been intentional (travel by bike is specifically mentioned in Section 5, but not 10 III, that doesn't look like an accident). Since the list in iii is "by example", it is not exclusive, which makes it at least ambiguous as to whether recreational bicycling is included.

Reading the way you have, the implication seems to be that riding a bike with any purpose (travel) is prohibited, but just riding around for its own sake is "essential". That''s a very weird interpretation.

Obviously, this was a rush job drafting, so it's not clear to me that this was hashed out.
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Why should walking, running, and hiking be ok, but biking is not? Biking to the grocery store is ok (or Home Depot for that matter), but cycling around the same route my wife walks is not? These edicts don't have much rationale behind them. The likelihood of needing an ambulance is just as high if you are going to the grocery store as not, maybe higher. The rules should be about social distance if that is what they are concerned about.
I agreed, initially. But Spain makes a good point. I don't know how many people on average go to the hospital because they bike. I went 6 months ago because of a velodrome race crash, and they had never seen anything like me. Being in peak race form made my hospitalization 6 months ago short. But here is what Spain says:

“Stay at home and put the bike aside,” said Carlos Mascias, medical director of a private hospital in Madrid. “Whatever possibility to minimize the impact on the resources of medical services that is not directed toward coronavirus is primordial.

“If any cyclist suffers an incident and needs an ambulance or a bed in intensive care, we are taking it away from people who truly need it, who are now arriving en masse to hospitals,” he continued. “If something happens to you now, maybe you have a chance [to be treated], but you will be taking it away from someone else … but in 48 hours, if something happens to you, the one who is left without [ICU] might be you, those who are now riding your bikes.”
Food for thought for us all. Be safe out there...



Reference: https://cycling.today/italy-and-spain...ym0hoRNGFqAA3w

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Originally Posted by pokecheck View Post
to make it more confusing - this thread seems to have omitted the earlier part of the docs that says you cant ride:

5. All travel, including, but not limited to, travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit, except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited.
Yeah, I'm just not sure how to travel by foot without walking, running, or hiking. Maybe travel by hopscotch is prohibited?
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Yeah, I'm just not sure how to travel by foot without walking, running, or hiking. Maybe travel by hopscotch is prohibited?

It's basically a "stay at home" order, so the answer is you aren't.

For ease of interpretation, here's the full list of exceptions. Basically, you can engage in any form of transport to carry out the purposive ones, but section iii is a bit ambiguous:

10. Definitions and Exemptions.
a. For purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their residence only to perform any of the following ďEssential Activities.Ē But people at high risk of severe illness from COVID-19 and people who are sick are urged to stay in their residence to the extent possible except as necessary to seek medical care.

i. To engage in activities or perform tasks essential to their health and safety, or to the health and safety of their family or household members (including, but not limited to, pets), such as, by way of example only and without limitation, obtaining medical supplies or medication, visiting a health care professional, or obtaining supplies they need to work from home.

ii. To obtain necessary services or supplies for themselves and their family or household members, or to deliver those services or supplies to others, such as, by way of example only and without limitation, canned food, dry goods, fresh fruits and vegetables, pet supply, fresh meats, fish, and poultry, and any other household consumer products, and products necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and essential operation of residences.

iii. To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.

iv. To perform work providing essential products and services at an Essential Business or to otherwise carry out activities specifically permitted in this Order, including Minimum Basic Operations.

v.. To care for a family member or pet in another household.
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Originally Posted by jgg3 View Post
Why should walking, running, and hiking be ok, but biking is not? Biking to the grocery store is ok (or Home Depot for that matter), but cycling around the same route my wife walks is not? These edicts don't have much rationale behind them. The likelihood of needing an ambulance is just as high if you are going to the grocery store as not, maybe higher. The rules should be about social distance if that is what they are concerned about.
Bicycling is seen as a mode of transportation capable of taking a person between communities. Walking is generally within a community. Hiking is a gray area; you might drive to a trailhead and then hike, or you might hike local hills within your own community if you live near them.

The thing about bicycling, and the reason, I presume, that it is disallowed in areas where they have disallowed it, is that a person could hop on their bike in a safe community, ride to an infected community, visit someone who is sick, or visit a store in a hot-spot area, and then bring it back home with them to their safe community. It's the same reason travelling has been greatly restricted; not so that an individual avoids getting infected, but so that an individual avoids infecting a community that had previously been in the clear.

I am 100% certain that if you go do your 25 mile loop each day you stand no chance of spreading infection. And if that's your routine, it's unfortunate that the edict has restricted that safe activity. But the harm comes if someone uses their bike to get to and from a destination and transmits disease either from an infected community to a clean one, or vice versa. It's the stops along the way and at the destination that have the potential to cause harm. And this is probably the reason restrictions have been implemented. In the rush to implement well-intentioned restrictions, safe activities are being caught in the dragnet. This is an imprecise yet calculated response. Imprecise because it affects people doing things that are probably safe. Calculated because it's been decided that catching some safe activities is a worthwhile tradeoff in order to catch many unsafe ones at a time where the risk on the one side is you miss a month of training, and the risk on the other side is a community gets infected and some people die.

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Crapping in the street will still be overlooked.
I believe that is considered "essential activity"
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
Note the exceptions in Section 10.
I've been spending a lot of time looking, and asked my attorney for his opinion (I haven't heard back). The problem is that it genuinely is ambiguous.

10. Definitions and Exemptions.
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iii. To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.
I would like to think (like you) that recreational cycling would be included, but since earlier in the document it explicitly excludes bicycles, I would have been more comfortable with them being explicitly included. Also, is driving to the mountain bike trail exempt?

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