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Old 12-24-20, 09:38 AM
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Is it illegal to have a family member purchase Shimano parts in Europe and send them

to the USA?

Normally I would not ask this but one of the German internet mailorder sites has the Shimano GRX 400 series 10 speed hydraulic disc integrated shifters for a price that is what I would consider fair. The US prices are very high and I would have to purchase the right shifter from one vendor and the left shifter from another vendor for a shift lever price for each side that is significantly higher than the price of the right or left shifter that comes with the hose and caliper coming from Germany.

Also, has anyone mixed Hope RX4 brake calipers with Shimano road hydraulic integrated shift levers? My plan was to obtain a set of the GRX 400's and build up a 10 speed road bike (2x10 or maybe even 3x10 gearing) with hydraulic disc. I will be using Industry 9 Torch mountain hubs that are 10 speed mountain spec.

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What law do you think you'd be breaking?
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
to the USA?

Normally I would not ask this but one of the German internet mailorder sites has the Shimano GRX 400 series 10 speed hydraulic disc integrated shifters for a price that is what I would consider fair. The US prices are very high and I would have to purchase the right shifter from one vender and the left shifter from another vender for a shift lever price for each side that is significantly higher than the price of the right or left shifter that comes with the hose and caliper coming from Germany.

Also, has anyone mixed Hope RX4 brake calipers with Shimano road hydraulic integrated shift levers? My plan was to obtain a set of the GRX 400's and build up a 10 speed road bike (2x10 or maybe even 3x10 gearing) with hydraulic disc. I will be using Industry 9 Torch mountain hubs that are 10 speed mountain spec.
As a very smart lawyer once told me: legal advice is generally worth about what you've paid for it.
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It's not illegal. Good luck with warranty issues.

Don't do this right now with GRX components, the brakes are all being warrantied. Great time for Shimano to create a shortage on top of a shortage.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
What law do you think you'd be breaking?
My sister would have to declare what the item shipped to me was. But "grey market" Shimano sales from Europe to the US were blocked by some commerce ruling or something several years ago. Ever since, the main source for Shimano parts in USA seems to be through the LBS or certain US mailorder sites for less than great prices. Also the inventory in the US is not that great either it seems with many items being "backordered". I realized these are extraordinary times and that due to Covid, shortages are inevitable but this Shimano Euro parts shutdown has been pretty comprehensive despite some Euro sites clearly having plenty of inventory available for sale on the continent.
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Not illegal. However, do not expect Shimano USA to warrant a part not purchased thru Shimano USA. You would have to send it back to Europe for warranty claims.
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
My sister would have to declare what the item shipped to me was. But "grey market" Shimano sales from Europe to the US were blocked by some commerce ruling or something several years ago. .
Buying and shipping a bike part isn't illegal. Since you have a $~700-800 customs threshold, a shifter isn't going to get any where close to what you'd need to pay a tax on, either. And even if it eclipsed that value, you'd just pay the tax. Still not illegal.
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It wasn't that long ago that you could buy Shimano parts from European mail order places cheaper than in the US. I think it was Shimano that put an end to this but that is a contractual issue, not a government law making it illegal to recieve items from family members.
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So if a European relative buys something for you as a Christmas gift, and then ships it to you, it could somehow be illegal?
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
Buying and shipping a bike part isn't illegal. Since you have a $~700-800 customs threshold, a shifter isn't going to get any where close to what you'd need to pay a tax on, either. And even if it eclipsed that value, you'd just pay the tax. Still not illegal.
I'm tempted to go ahead and get the GRX 400 shifters since I really need them for this 10 speed disc road bike build I am planning.

Or, maybe I will just get the TRP flat mount hydraulic aero brake levers (I will have to look up the model name, can't remember it right now) to handle my disc brakes and then just run Shimano 10-speed indexed bar end shifters.
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So if a European relative buys something for you as a Christmas gift, and then ships it to you, it could somehow be illegal?
perhaps. With my luck, I would get into some trouble over some silly little thing like this...
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
perhaps. With my luck, I would get into some trouble over some silly little thing like this...
One piece of advice, check your browser and country settings on the site you found. If you have it set to USA, it will likely show a lower price than if you select the Euro country your sister is in, because VAT will get added back to the price.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
One piece of advice, check your browser and country settings on the site you found. If you have it set to USA, it will likely show a lower price than if you select the Euro country your sister is in, because VAT will get added back to the price.
Good point. I will double check the price shipped to Austria (to my sis).
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
I'm tempted to go ahead and get the GRX 400 shifters since I really need them for this 10 speed disc road bike build I am planning.

Or, maybe I will just get the TRP flat mount hydraulic aero brake levers (I will have to look up the model name, can't remember it right now) to handle my disc brakes and then just run Shimano 10-speed indexed bar end shifters.
I've got TRP Hylex and like them. I'm using microshift bar ends.
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
I'm tempted to go ahead and get the GRX 400 shifters since I really need them for this 10 speed disc road bike build I am planning.

Or, maybe I will just get the TRP flat mount hydraulic aero brake levers (I will have to look up the model name, can't remember it right now) to handle my disc brakes and then just run Shimano 10-speed indexed bar end shifters.
TRP also makes road full-hydraulics: Hylex. I use them in conjunction with 11-speed microshift bar end shifters on a touring bike. You can also put buttons in for Di2. They are about $130 each, pre-bled, with calipers attached.
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I've got TRP Hylex and like them. I'm using microshift bar ends.
Sorry, I was putting the link in my post when you posted.
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
My sister would have to declare what the item shipped to me was. But "grey market" Shimano sales from Europe to the US were blocked by some commerce ruling or something several years ago. Ever since, the main source for Shimano parts in USA seems to be through the LBS or certain US mailorder sites for less than great prices. Also the inventory in the US is not that great either it seems with many items being "backordered". I realized these are extraordinary times and that due to Covid, shortages are inevitable but this Shimano Euro parts shutdown has been pretty comprehensive despite some Euro sites clearly having plenty of inventory available for sale on the continent.
When, exactly, did your sister sign a Shimano dealer agreement that she would be in violation of?

Sales of grey market Shimano parts were not blocked by governmental agencies.
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yes, it's illegal, if you also put cocaine in the package.
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My sister would have to declare what the item shipped to me was.
Typically, people fill out the customs forms using only the very vaguest of terms to describe the items.

"Bicycle parts". Done.
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These are $399 shipped to your door. 2x11, not 2x10.
But if i were starting a hydraulic drivetrain build, it'd be tough to pass on and go for 2x10 for maybe slightly less.

Be sure to add in the cost to ship the 400 components from Austria to your door.



Also, grx doesn't support 3x drivetrains. You mention wanting g a 3x10 drivetrain in your first post. No go.
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These are $399 shipped to your door. 2x11, not 2x10.
But if i were starting a hydraulic drivetrain build, it'd be tough to pass on and go for 2x10 for maybe slightly less.

Be sure to add in the cost to ship the 400 components from Austria to your door.



Also, grx doesn't support 3x drivetrains. You mention wanting g a 3x10 drivetrain in your first post. No go.
The GRX 400 shifters are 10 speed I’m pretty sure.
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
The GRX 400 shifters are 10 speed I’m pretty sure.
https://www.merlincycles.com/en-us/s...ed-196854.html

For some reason the link didn't paste the first time. Sorry, that makes for a confusing post.
Yes, 600 is 11 and 400 is 10. I meant to post some 600 levers and calipers. See the link.
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The Geoblocking thing sure cured me of my addiction to upgrade-itist and buying shimano stuff. I never used to buy SRAM because of geoblocking, now Shimano is out too.
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The Geoblocking thing sure cured me of my addiction to upgrade-itist and buying shimano stuff. I never used to buy SRAM because of geoblocking, now Shimano is out too.
Geoblocking - what an interesting term. And yes, that seems to be what is slowly happening with me. I’m glad I got some (Shimano) deals from e]several of the UK on-line bike shops several years ago, particularly having a small inventory of replacement “three by” triple road parts from the 9 and 10 speed era. I still like the idea of running a road triple (30/39/52) front crank with a racer friendly 12-23 nine or ten speed cassette. I see an opportunity for a cottage industry company to step in and provide replacement parts so absent in the “1X” market that is at apparent polar opposites from my favored “3 by” road drivetrains.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
https://www.merlincycles.com/en-us/s...ed-196854.html

For some reason the link didn't paste the first time. Sorry, that makes for a confusing post.
Yes, 600 is 11 and 400 is 10. I meant to post some 600 levers and calipers. See the link.
Thanks for the link. The 400 (ten speed) shifter seems more elusive....
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