OutnBack

Though they can be a challenge to source, the Bridgestone RBT fits the bill. (Sorry if it's already been mentioned)

Danmozy66

yup I’d agree. A bit pricier from what I’ve seen, and maybe a bit clunky ish

Danmozy66

haven’t heard of this one, I’ll check it out. Love their old mtb

Danmozy66

I’m seeing a lot of concensus for the multi track treks and the 1000 miyatas. Thanks all, I will be keeping my eye open for all the bikes discussed in this thread.

Just looked this up this miyata—VERY cool. How common is it to find these pop up? What’s their weight like and max tire clearance anyone know? How does it differ from the triple cross? Because I have ridden one of those before

Maybe unlikely to ever find these and better to focus on 610 but damn it’s looking nice in this article.

https://cargocollective.com/BRAZENBICYCLES/Miyata-1000

abdon 

Good luck finding one of those, they are highly coveted.

Later I'll measure my trek 720, plenty of space if you ask me. My Raleigh Alyeska has less space

rgvg

I guess that would depend on where you are. I have seen a few around Vancouver. I sold a 1990 last week. I had 35c on it once, but I didn't add fenders. I have a Schwinn Crosscut and Crosspoint. I believe they came stock with 38s, so you could go larger. They are more similar to the Triplecross, and they don't feel the same as the LT at all, since they have different geometries as well as flat bars rather than drops. I had an 85 Sequoia once. Had 35c no fenders on it. Really nice bike. I sold it because it was too big for me. I think I read somewhere here on the forums it was Champion 2 all around except the down tube, which was stiffer. I did want to keep the LT as it was in really good shape, but I wasn't riding it enough, and I don't think I will ever be on tour at all. Weight wise, I would say decent for a loaded touring bike, but it's a loaded touring bike.

Danmozy66

very cool. Is champion 2 a version of prestige lineup? And hey let me know if you’re trying to get rid of the crosspoint/crosscut! Haha

Piff 

Champion 2 is from the same manufacturer of Prestige tubing, Tange. It is lower down the ladder, but not much. Very nice tubing.

I mean no disrespect, but if you're fine with the tubing weight of your '86 Sequoia, then just about any cro-mo frame will be fine. A Tange hi-ten frame comes out to 2700g, or about 200g heavier than your frame (though I have doubts to the veracity of the attached photo below...wouldn't be surprised if there were some fudging going on). A Raleigh Supercourse with straight gauge (i.e. not butted) 531 main frame and hi-ten fork/stays weighs about the same as your Sequoia.

Basically, what I'm saying is shoot for the geometry you want and make sure the frame at least is not made of Hi-ten tubing. Should be good as gold. I rode around on a 1982 Miyata 1200 for years. The main frame was double butted cro-mo, the stays hi-ten. Lovely bike, never felt like I was held back in the slightest.

oneclick 

Start here:

https://yarchive.net/bike/slicks.html

Jeff Neese

What do you mean? Why would putting drop bars and fat tires on a bike require different braking systems?

My Trek 750 started out life as a hybrid, but now it has drop bars. I can put fatter tires on it and turn it into a gravel bike, with no change in brakes required. Obviously you do need different brake levers, and of course shifters.

madpogue 

From what little searching I've done, a higher-end Miyata like a OneThousand would be as rare as hen's teeth here in the midwest. Sounds like an ideal match, but it's the kind of bike that owners just can't be convinced to sell.

Germany_chris

I don’t know what you construe as pricy so that’s possible, but the Cross Check can be as light or as heavy as your budget allows


that’s 8 and change kilos I could probably shave another 500 grams with more carbon.




That on IIRC is about 17 kilograms without the bags

Sedgemop 

True, and they, along with the Trek 720, typically sell for a premium. Personally, I like the shorter wheelbase of the Miyata 615/618, anyway. Just picked up a low dollar Miyata 618GT for my partner and can confirm it will fit 38's. 35's with fenders should be doable too.

bark_eater 

Blind Squirrel Kung Fu accepts your challenge!


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Danmozy66

Yes, that’s what I meant. Different brake levers and I guess shifters. And I’m unsure of how this stuff works, but I thought it was also possible that road style brake levers might have different pull requirements than flat bar ones

Danmozy66

that’s still nearly 40 lbs after some light weight mods like 1x

Danmozy66

Very nice bike, need to keep an eye out for this. Can't say I've seen one for sale before.

You seem to be copying my style with the dork disk and mismatching tires

fender1

I would register and keep my eyes open in the FOR SALE area here if I were in your shoes:

https://forums.thepaceline.net/

I found someone else’s custom there and it worked out great for me. Fillet brazed, lightweight steel frame, fits 35’s w/ fenders, internal wiring for lighting and dual pivot brakes.

Danmozy66

Interesting share, thank you. Frame weight is one quantitative thing, but maybe qualitative ride quality is another thing too. And I suppose the champion 2 being the exact tubing that the was Special Series that the sequoia used wasn’t official either but rather it was another poster’s best guess, so who really knows.

I’d be curious to weigh the sequoia because it really feels lighter than 23lbs esp with a less clunky saddle and post. But I can’t really see it being comparable to straight gauge tubing in terms of ride

Piff 

I'd believe the magazine review weight over a poster's best guess to what the tubing was, unless that poster was T-Mar. The 531 straight gauge tubing could be relatively thin, 0.8mm all the way through. If the cro-mo your frame is made of has a butting profile of 1.0/0.8, then there's no reason why that Super Course couldn't have a similar weight. Butting just means that, butted. A very heavy frame could have a 1.5mm/1.0mm butting profile and still truthfully wear a 'double butted cro-mo' sticker. Surly like to tout their 'Natch' being double butted, but they're also known for selling relatively heavy steel frames.

Roger M

My 1984/85 Specialized Expedition has gravelking 38mm tires with fenders. It's a pretty tight fit with the mudguards, but I haven't had any problems. 40-42mm tires should fit without fenders.

bark_eater 

Here"s my Koga Miyata Cityliner. Not the best picture, but Its got 38mm Schwalbe Marathons under fenders. The fit was pretty tight. I went ahead and swapped in Schwalbe Little Big Ben's, which are maybe a little wider but not as tall.

Germany_chris

That bike isn't 1x and there's nothing light on it to include the steel racks

rgvg

So would I, but I was really only half guessing, and this review also posted by sol is why https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...oia-allez.html

Champion 2 + champion 3 down tube sounds like to me. At any rate, really nice bike. I would love to have another one in my size.

Danmozy66

you’re right my mistake. Still very nice bike