MAK

When purchasing a new bike, is an upgrade to a set of wheels 200 grams lighter than the stock wheel set worth the $200 cost? Does a savings of 7 ounces make that much of a perceptable performance difference?

Grumpy McTrumpy

not unless you are racing on mountains or losing sprints by inches

Creatre

If you don't race, wheels should be looked at in a what is most durable way. After comparing durability you can compare the price worthiness of the components, looks, and weight. Most likely you will not notice the difference though, other than maybe downhill if it has nicer hubs or uphill because of the weight.

kleinboogie

I'll take the other side. Yes.

RacerOne

That's almost half a pound.. do it!

GS430

I agree, half a pound for $200..it's worth it. .75-$1.00 an ounce is usually a good return, I guess. Although, you don't want to lose to much durability.

joejack951

As with most things, it depends. How was the 200 gram weight loss achieved? Do the lighter wheels use fewer spokes, less durable hubs, or flexy rims? Are they less easily serviced if something were to break (proprietary spokes, hub bearings, nipples, etc.)?

There are ways to build lightweight, durable, easily serviced wheels and they are ways to build lightweight, fragile, and factory-serviceable only wheels. What are the two wheel choices anyway?

urbanknight

+1

However, I find no shame that agreeing with him makes me a hypocrite.

MAK

It would be a change from Bontrager Race to Bontrager Race Lite.

gregf83 

No. For reference if you were to hammer up a 5 min hill at 350W with your buddies, a 1lb weight savings will make you less than 2 seconds faster. If that's important to you then by all means get them.

joejack951

Honestly, I wouldn't get either of them. Both sets of wheels are overly heavy given their low spoke counts. You'd do much better with a set of hand built wheels around the same price point that will easily rival either Bontrager wheelset while using a reasonable number (28-32) of spokes. If nothing else, they'll be much easier to true.

Any chance you are buying this bike at Bike Line on 202?

urbanknight

Blah. I've worked on Bontrager wheels before, and they do not impress me at all.

pallen

People spend a lot more to save less, so I guess from that standpoint its "worth it". Will you be able to notice a difference? Probably not - maybe when you are loading it on your bike rack. If its part of an overall weight savings plan that totals a few pounds, you might start to notice. Its hard to resist though. I ride a 20lb steel bike and still look at weight when replacing parts like seatposts, saddles, etc.

joejack951

I can easily notice a 200 gram lighter wheelset. I'd notice it every time I took off from a standing stop. Aside from that, unless it was part of a larger weight reduction, it wouldn't stand out. With that said, I stand by my original statement that there are better ways to get a light wheelset than an 18 spoke front wheel and 24 spoke rear wheel that still weigh around 1800 grams. I commute on a set of 32 spoke wheels with a front disc hub that weigh over 300 grams less than those Race Lite wheels and didn't cost that much more.

urbanknight

Seriously? Can you notice the difference between a standing start at the beginning of the ride when your bottles are full and the end when they're empty? How about your body weight fluctuations?

joejack951

I don't need to get my water bottles or body weight spinning to get them moving. And, ok, maybe it's more like 400 grams between the wheelsets I own when you factor in the tires being used too (still less than a water bottle though).

urbanknight

You should read up on rotational mass more. Although it does have real characteristics, it does not give an object more inertia.

joejack951

So it takes no more energy to get a wheel translating and spinning than it does to just get it translating?

urbanknight

The amount of energy it takes to spin ~4lb pair of wheels up to 300 rpm is negligible as it is (take a wheel's axles between your thumbs and index fingers and give it a good flick with your middle finger to see what I'm talking about), and you're talking about feeling the difference of spinning 4lb versus 3.6lb. I'm not saying you can't do it, but it makes me want to place a pea under your mattress.

joejack951

Well, I did revise my comment to make it more like 4 lbs. vs. 3.1 lbs. Perhaps it's a combination of lower rolling resistance tires and the weight but the bike feels livelier with the lighter wheelset. Notice I'm not claiming average speed gains (I know we all love them) or better time trial times (or commute times in my case).

How much weight do you need to add/remove before you can feel a difference, out of curiosity?

urbanknight

For me personally? I honestly don't know, and this is why I'm such a hypocrite as I love bragging about my 1375g aluminum clincher wheelset I built. I THINK I can feel the weight difference when I'm loaded up for a climbing century with my extra clothing layers, 2 full 28oz bottles in the cages plus a small one in my back pocket, and plenty of food; but even that can be placebo.

I definitely notice the 30 lb I've gained over the past year due to dramatically reduced riding

Grumpy McTrumpy

would be easy enough to quantify this with a set of rollers and a powermeter

stedalus

been done