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Old 12-20-19, 12:00 PM
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Mr Kellog did not really retire

This is pretty cool.

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Very Cool. But, disks.
I've ridden along with some of those Ritte fellows and although I have never met Mr. Kellog, I do know of his work and it is not surprising that the two are a good match.
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He also pushed Ritte to agree to allow him to use more than one fork offset. Many brands use the same fork for all frame sizes for simplicity and as a cost-saving measure. But Kellogg—obsessed with geometry and bike handling—wouldn’t abide such shortcuts. Ritte acquiesced: Smaller sizes use a fork with more offset, larger sizes use a shorter offset fork, providing Kellogg more freedom to refine the geometry.

In one such instance, Kellogg “under-trailed” the gravel bike (a medium Satyr has less trail than a medium Phantom). “When gravel gets big, the front end tends to get thrown right and left,” Kellogg says. “When you under-trail a bike, it tends to autocorrect. It’s self-centering.” He says this makes the bike less tiring to ride because it requires less attention.
I like the way this guy thinks.
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Mr. Kellogg is, to me, one of the single most important members of the cycling community, and anyone who has ridden a Merlin knows why. I think this is very cool, and this is now on my radar! Nice to see he hasn't completely hung those spurs!
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Originally Posted by Classtime
Very Cool. But, disks.
I've ridden along with some of those Ritte fellows and although I have never met Mr. Kellog, I do know of his work and it is not surprising that the two are a good match.
Agreed, but ya gotta stay relevant, which he seems to do with ease.
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Old 12-20-19, 01:56 PM
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Cool! Hmm, I have a milestone birthday coming up in the spring.
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I like the green on that- Green can be so good on bikes and is rarely used.
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I always feel I am right in between sizes lately when things a S.M.L...
I like the gravel bike geometry- the BB drop is smart. Should be a good handling bike but not everyone wants a 1x. (understanding that I have not looked at seat tube diameter at the front derailleur clamp area)
The green... would not have pared it with that cream color.

The AllRoad is good, not sure of the effective top tube choices. Did I miss the tire size capacity?
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Does anyone have a clue what this "under-trailed" thing is about? The Satyr doesn't appear to have lower trail unless the tires are the same size, even then it's only 1mm less in some sizes, which is basically meaningless.
Phantom 700x28; Satyr 700x40; Satyr 700x28
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S: 56; 63; 59
M: 60; 63; 59
L: 57; 63; 59
XL: 57; 59; 56
XXL: 57; 59; 56
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"Under-trail"...do we really need another marketing term for "low trail"? A very old concept, which was revived in framebuilding 20 years ago, and now we are being sold it in different words by Ritte and Kellogg?

Also, adjusting geometry for frame size isn't a revolutionary idea, nor is it a rare idea. Most big manufacturers adjust rake/trail for different sizes of the same model (see Cannondale geometry chart below for example).

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