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10-14-19, 06:50 AM
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10-15-19, 05:05 AM
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@bwilli88, I was curious about it too and never asked. Looking at the pics again now I’m also curious about the drivetrain on both bikes.
10-15-19, 11:59 AM
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They are both Shimano 105 series 5700. The 83 is 2x10 and the 81 is 3x10. I really have them backwards, I need the 3x in the States and the 2x in Cambodia. The 81 is a half step + granny with 49x46x30 on a Sakae SR triple crankset and the 83 is 48x45 on a 105 5500 series crankset, both have 5700GS RD and 11x36 cassette. The 3x has a 5703 FD and left brifter and 5700 right brifter, 2x has 5700 for FD and both brifters. The 81 stem is a Sakae.
If I ever change the rear wheel on my Voyageur, I’ll look forward to getting rid of the half step plus granny crank and probably use a compact double or even maybe 1x. But its spaced 120, I dunno how I feel about spreading it to 130.
On second thought, nobody ever stayed home from a ride because they had too many gears. I’d probably spend more time on my bike if it had more gears. 3x5 is way more than enough for my short, flat commute.
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10-16-19, 08:02 AM
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With the wide range 10 speed cassette, aren’t the big rings a little superfluous?
If I ever change the rear wheel on my Voyageur, I’ll look forward to getting rid of the half step plus granny crank and probably use a compact double or even maybe 1x. But its spaced 120, I dunno how I feel about spreading it to 130.
If I ever change the rear wheel on my Voyageur, I’ll look forward to getting rid of the half step plus granny crank and probably use a compact double or even maybe 1x. But its spaced 120, I dunno how I feel about spreading it to 130.
what's your concern for spreading the frame to 130? it won't hurt anything. i've done it to nearly all of my vintage steel frames as have many others. i don't care for the 2x4 method as illustrated on sheldon brown's site, however. it's brutish, clunky, and lots of trial and error. much safer, easier, and accurate to use a length of threaded rod with nuts and washers
in my world, large rings are overkill for a modern 11-whatever cassette. a 42t as a large will give plenty of top and mid range for most average 700c usage. it's really all application and preference, though. unless you're racing, around 100 gear inches is adequate. and, with 32mm tires or larger, that's what 42xx11 would result in.....equal to vintage set ups with 52x14 or 50x13 top gears. anyway, 2 cents.
10-16-19, 11:51 AM
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if i may....
what's your concern for spreading the frame to 130? it won't hurt anything. i've done it to nearly all of my vintage steel frames as have many others. i don't care for the 2x4 method as illustrated on sheldon brown's site, however. it's brutish, clunky, and lots of trial and error. much safer, easier, and accurate to use a length of threaded rod with nuts and washers
what's your concern for spreading the frame to 130? it won't hurt anything. i've done it to nearly all of my vintage steel frames as have many others. i don't care for the 2x4 method as illustrated on sheldon brown's site, however. it's brutish, clunky, and lots of trial and error. much safer, easier, and accurate to use a length of threaded rod with nuts and washers
In the interest of fitting larger tires, I only buy bicycles that came with 27 inch wheels, spread the stays, and fit modern 700c wheels with 9-speed Deore drivetrains. The bikes that come out of this process have been the most enjoyable I've ever ridden.
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10-16-19, 11:52 AM
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if i may....
what's your concern for spreading the frame to 130? it won't hurt anything. i've done it to nearly all of my vintage steel frames as have many others. i don't care for the 2x4 method as illustrated on sheldon brown's site, however. it's brutish, clunky, and lots of trial and error. much safer, easier, and accurate to use a length of threaded rod with nuts and washers
in my world, large rings are overkill for a modern 11-whatever cassette. a 42t as a large will give plenty of top and mid range for most average 700c usage. it's really all application and preference, though. unless you're racing, around 100 gear inches is adequate. and, with 32mm tires or larger, that's what 42xx11 would result in.....equal to vintage set ups with 52x14 or 50x13 top gears. anyway, 2 cents.
what's your concern for spreading the frame to 130? it won't hurt anything. i've done it to nearly all of my vintage steel frames as have many others. i don't care for the 2x4 method as illustrated on sheldon brown's site, however. it's brutish, clunky, and lots of trial and error. much safer, easier, and accurate to use a length of threaded rod with nuts and washers
in my world, large rings are overkill for a modern 11-whatever cassette. a 42t as a large will give plenty of top and mid range for most average 700c usage. it's really all application and preference, though. unless you're racing, around 100 gear inches is adequate. and, with 32mm tires or larger, that's what 42xx11 would result in.....equal to vintage set ups with 52x14 or 50x13 top gears. anyway, 2 cents.
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10-16-19, 11:58 AM
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@Phamilton...
i don't know what gear spread is, but you could still be rid of the half step (if that's ultimate aim) and go with a closer range 5spd freewheel and a typical crossover/alpine triple up front. just use a smaller inner and granny ring to keep a good cruising and climbing range. you wouldn't have to futz with spreading the rear or changing wheelsets. and, it'd be cheaper'ish. lovely ride, btw
@DQRider....
i've seen that photo/tool of yours elsewhere. very nice! and, yeah....27" conversions are the bomb
i don't know what gear spread is, but you could still be rid of the half step (if that's ultimate aim) and go with a closer range 5spd freewheel and a typical crossover/alpine triple up front. just use a smaller inner and granny ring to keep a good cruising and climbing range. you wouldn't have to futz with spreading the rear or changing wheelsets. and, it'd be cheaper'ish. lovely ride, btw
@DQRider....
i've seen that photo/tool of yours elsewhere. very nice! and, yeah....27" conversions are the bomb
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10-16-19, 12:11 PM
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You probably saw it in "What Have You Been Wrenching On Lately". I don't know if it would be considered a Touring Bike, but I wouldn't hesitate to put a rack and bags on it.
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10-16-19, 04:12 PM
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Oof! That's a sweet setup. I like that you're biased towards front loading. I've got one of those Zimbale saddle bags, great value and construction.
That's a pretty dang tall handlebar bag, would be interested to know where you got that and the low rider bags from. Looks like you've got your tent stakes in that blue bag?
Great pic as well!
That's a pretty dang tall handlebar bag, would be interested to know where you got that and the low rider bags from. Looks like you've got your tent stakes in that blue bag?
Great pic as well!
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10-16-19, 04:23 PM
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@thook, I don’t do any touring and it’s pretty flat in N. Indiana. I could probably get rid of the triple altogether. I have a couple vintage double cranks 52/40 of which I could throw one on, would just need to change the bottom bracket. I’ve even considered going FG/SS on this one, and then I wouldn’t have to fuss with the rear triangle at all. As it currently stands, I only ever use the 46t ring and 2 of the 5 rear cogs.
10-16-19, 04:27 PM
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My 1981 Romic Touring. This was a custom frame designed for Harley's Bicycles in Hutchinson, Kansas. Most of the original drivetrain is still there. I've upgraded the cockpit, brakes and brake levers.
Crankset: Campagnolo Triple, 48-42-31 (Jim Merz 31t)
Bottom Bracket: Vintage Phil Wood
Pedals: MKS Sylvan NEXT (swapping to T.A. Specialites quill pedals soon)
Front Derailleur: 1978 Campagnolo 4-hole
Rear Derailleur: Campagnolo Rally
Shifters: SunTour Bar-Cons
Rims: Wolber Super Champion
Hubs: Vintage Phil Wood
Stem: Nitto 90mm
Handlebars: Nitto Noodle
Brakes: Shimano BR-M732, Kool-Stop Thinline pads
Brake Levers: Cane Creek SCR-5
Here's a Flickr album with some detailed shots and some scans of the original sales receipt/build.
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Crankset: Campagnolo Triple, 48-42-31 (Jim Merz 31t)
Bottom Bracket: Vintage Phil Wood
Pedals: MKS Sylvan NEXT (swapping to T.A. Specialites quill pedals soon)
Front Derailleur: 1978 Campagnolo 4-hole
Rear Derailleur: Campagnolo Rally
Shifters: SunTour Bar-Cons
Rims: Wolber Super Champion
Hubs: Vintage Phil Wood
Stem: Nitto 90mm
Handlebars: Nitto Noodle
Brakes: Shimano BR-M732, Kool-Stop Thinline pads
Brake Levers: Cane Creek SCR-5
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I've got three to show.
Raleigh Grander Sportier
Reworked frame with cantis, vertical dropouts, internal generator wiring. Bags by Waxwing, custom front rack and decaleur by Gugie
1973 Raleigh Competition 650b conversion by Peter Weigle
650b conversion by Peter Weigle of 1973 Raleigh Competition. Paint by Ed Litton. Bags by Waxwing
Centurion Pro Tour
SP front generator hub/Velocity A23 rims, original drivetrain, TA mini-rack, MAFAC RAID brakes. Gilles Berthoud GB28 front bag, Zimbale saddle bag
Raleigh Grander Sportier
Reworked frame with cantis, vertical dropouts, internal generator wiring. Bags by Waxwing, custom front rack and decaleur by Gugie
1973 Raleigh Competition 650b conversion by Peter Weigle
650b conversion by Peter Weigle of 1973 Raleigh Competition. Paint by Ed Litton. Bags by Waxwing
Centurion Pro Tour
SP front generator hub/Velocity A23 rims, original drivetrain, TA mini-rack, MAFAC RAID brakes. Gilles Berthoud GB28 front bag, Zimbale saddle bag
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Hey, I've seen that bike before ;-)
Missed you at Eroica Cali, are you doing it next year? We're putting together a group to ride down from the Bay Area, if you can set aside the time. It'll be a fleabag hotel credit card tour.
Missed you at Eroica Cali, are you doing it next year? We're putting together a group to ride down from the Bay Area, if you can set aside the time. It'll be a fleabag hotel credit card tour.
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10-16-19, 06:56 PM
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@DQRider....
i did indeed! i see you let go of the copper fenders?
it's likely considered a sport tourer, but i don't know just what model that is. in any case, any bike can be a tourer...just about
i did indeed! i see you let go of the copper fenders?
it's likely considered a sport tourer, but i don't know just what model that is. in any case, any bike can be a tourer...just about
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10-17-19, 02:46 PM
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Here’s a 1976 Eisentraut Limited Touring I’ve recently built from a frame & fork. I’ve put a couple hundred or so city miles on it so far. It’s a fantastic ride, and I’m looking forward to a bit of light touring & bike camping next spring.
Fork is stamped “531” while the frame tubes are yet to be identified. Eisentraut is reported to have used mixed tube sets at times for certain desired results. Seat tube takes a 27.2mm post.
Other meaningless but interesting specs:
Mavic MA40/Campy Record wheels
32c Panaracer Gravelking Slicks
Shimano Deerhead derailleurs
Gran Compe side pulls & levers
Suntour barcons
TA Pro 5 Vis 48/38/28 (TA bottom bracket)
Suntour New Winner 14/16/18/21/25/30
Sram PC850
Tange Levin HS
SR Royal Super Light stem
Belleri bars
MKS pedal/cage assemblies
Campy Record 2 bolt fluted post
Brooks B17 Champion
Jim Blackburn front racks & bottle cage
Jandd Mountain panniers
VO decaluer (Ostrich rando bag not shown)
Also... Silca Impero not shown & a rear Jim Blackburn rack with a second set of Jandds should the going get rough!
Fork is stamped “531” while the frame tubes are yet to be identified. Eisentraut is reported to have used mixed tube sets at times for certain desired results. Seat tube takes a 27.2mm post.
Other meaningless but interesting specs:
Mavic MA40/Campy Record wheels
32c Panaracer Gravelking Slicks
Shimano Deerhead derailleurs
Gran Compe side pulls & levers
Suntour barcons
TA Pro 5 Vis 48/38/28 (TA bottom bracket)
Suntour New Winner 14/16/18/21/25/30
Sram PC850
Tange Levin HS
SR Royal Super Light stem
Belleri bars
MKS pedal/cage assemblies
Campy Record 2 bolt fluted post
Brooks B17 Champion
Jim Blackburn front racks & bottle cage
Jandd Mountain panniers
VO decaluer (Ostrich rando bag not shown)
Also... Silca Impero not shown & a rear Jim Blackburn rack with a second set of Jandds should the going get rough!
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10-18-19, 11:15 AM
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Oof! That's a sweet setup. I like that you're biased towards front loading. I've got one of those Zimbale saddle bags, great value and construction.
That's a pretty dang tall handlebar bag, would be interested to know where you got that and the low rider bags from. Looks like you've got your tent stakes in that blue bag?
Great pic as well!
That's a pretty dang tall handlebar bag, would be interested to know where you got that and the low rider bags from. Looks like you've got your tent stakes in that blue bag?
Great pic as well!
I made the rando and low rider bags. The rando bag is basically GB28 dimensions. I’d suggest Ruthworks for something very similar. Ely’s bags are thoughtfully designed, constructed with high quality materials and offered at a very fair price.
The low riders don’t have any commercial peer I know of. I built them for this specific bike and rack. Their profile matches the Koga Miyata racks they’re attached to, though they also perfectly fit classic Jim Blackburn racks. The blue bag indeed holds tent poles, it’s tucked into the bottle pocket of the pannier and held in place by the shock cord lacing. The fronts are also laced and often used for drying laundry.
I call the setup “Comfortably light touring”. Good for mostly fair weather, but with a tent, mat, sleeping bag and stove. Three days worth of clothes, slack space for one day worth of food.
I wouldn’t want to tour for a month with this setup, but it’s nice for a few days, especially if they’re long days.
10-18-19, 11:23 AM
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The saddlebag is actually from “Cardiff”, which is a Merry Sales brand that seems to mostly rebrand other products. I’m not sure who the OEM was, but the Zimbale bags are actually a bit nicer. I can’t complain, I picked it for for $5, though it needed some repair.
I made the rando and low rider bags. The rando bag is basically GB28 dimensions. I’d suggest Ruthworks for something very similar. Ely’s bags are thoughtfully designed, constructed with high quality materials and offered at a very fair price.
The low riders don’t have any commercial peer I know of. I built them for this specific bike and rack. Their profile matches the Koga Miyata racks they’re attached to, though they also perfectly fit classic Jim Blackburn racks. The blue bag indeed holds tent poles, it’s tucked into the bottle pocket of the pannier and held in place by the shock cord lacing. The fronts are also laced and often used for drying laundry.
I call the setup “Comfortably light touring”. Good for mostly fair weather, but with a tent, mat, sleeping bag and stove. Three days worth of clothes, slack space for one day worth of food.
I wouldn’t want to tour for a month with this setup, but it’s nice for a few days, especially if they’re long days.
I made the rando and low rider bags. The rando bag is basically GB28 dimensions. I’d suggest Ruthworks for something very similar. Ely’s bags are thoughtfully designed, constructed with high quality materials and offered at a very fair price.
The low riders don’t have any commercial peer I know of. I built them for this specific bike and rack. Their profile matches the Koga Miyata racks they’re attached to, though they also perfectly fit classic Jim Blackburn racks. The blue bag indeed holds tent poles, it’s tucked into the bottle pocket of the pannier and held in place by the shock cord lacing. The fronts are also laced and often used for drying laundry.
I call the setup “Comfortably light touring”. Good for mostly fair weather, but with a tent, mat, sleeping bag and stove. Three days worth of clothes, slack space for one day worth of food.
I wouldn’t want to tour for a month with this setup, but it’s nice for a few days, especially if they’re long days.
That's a nice setup, you didn't go overboard on the low rider bag size.
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10-18-19, 11:43 AM
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Here’s a 1976 Eisentraut Limited Touring I’ve recently built from a frame & fork. I’ve put a couple hundred or so city miles on it so far. It’s a fantastic ride, and I’m looking forward to a bit of light touring & bike camping next spring.
Fork is stamped “531” while the frame tubes are yet to be identified. Eisentraut is reported to have used mixed tube sets at times for certain desired results. Seat tube takes a 27.2mm post.
Other meaningless but interesting specs:
Mavic MA40/Campy Record wheels
32c Panaracer Gravelking Slicks
Shimano Deerhead derailleurs
Gran Compe side pulls & levers
Suntour barcons
TA Pro 5 Vis 48/38/28 (TA bottom bracket)
Suntour New Winner 14/16/18/21/25/30
Sram PC850
Tange Levin HS
SR Royal Super Light stem
Belleri bars
MKS pedal/cage assemblies
Campy Record 2 bolt fluted post
Brooks B17 Champion
Jim Blackburn front racks & bottle cage
Jandd Mountain panniers
VO decaluer (Ostrich rando bag not shown)
Also... Silca Impero not shown & a rear Jim Blackburn rack with a second set of Jandds should the going get rough!
Fork is stamped “531” while the frame tubes are yet to be identified. Eisentraut is reported to have used mixed tube sets at times for certain desired results. Seat tube takes a 27.2mm post.
Other meaningless but interesting specs:
Mavic MA40/Campy Record wheels
32c Panaracer Gravelking Slicks
Shimano Deerhead derailleurs
Gran Compe side pulls & levers
Suntour barcons
TA Pro 5 Vis 48/38/28 (TA bottom bracket)
Suntour New Winner 14/16/18/21/25/30
Sram PC850
Tange Levin HS
SR Royal Super Light stem
Belleri bars
MKS pedal/cage assemblies
Campy Record 2 bolt fluted post
Brooks B17 Champion
Jim Blackburn front racks & bottle cage
Jandd Mountain panniers
VO decaluer (Ostrich rando bag not shown)
Also... Silca Impero not shown & a rear Jim Blackburn rack with a second set of Jandds should the going get rough!
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10-18-19, 04:37 PM
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I don’t know what my preference would be as I’ve never ridden out of town, and have never ridden with a group. But I’d definitely look forward to a tour with some of you experienced riders. It’d make for a great learning opportunity... and I suspect it’d be a bit of fun too.
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10-18-19, 06:35 PM
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Not an old frame, but certainly classic in design and tech. It replaced my 1990 Fuji made touring frame.
Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross frame converted from gravel to commute/touring. Mounts for front and rear racks and fenders.
- Frame- double butted heat treated tubing, horizontal droupouts, and mostly level top tube.
- Suntour XCD cantilever brakes.
- Sugino 180mm 46/36/26 crank.
- 3x9 drivetrain with bar end shifters, old Deore XT rear derailleur, and Sora FD.
- 38.5mm wide Vittoria Hyper tires.
- SKS Chromoplastic Longboard 50mm fenders.
- VeloOrange Course 26.0 drop bars.
This reminds me I want to look up how old the crank is.
Here it is in commuting mode.
Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross frame converted from gravel to commute/touring. Mounts for front and rear racks and fenders.
- Frame- double butted heat treated tubing, horizontal droupouts, and mostly level top tube.
- Suntour XCD cantilever brakes.
- Sugino 180mm 46/36/26 crank.
- 3x9 drivetrain with bar end shifters, old Deore XT rear derailleur, and Sora FD.
- 38.5mm wide Vittoria Hyper tires.
- SKS Chromoplastic Longboard 50mm fenders.
- VeloOrange Course 26.0 drop bars.
This reminds me I want to look up how old the crank is.
Here it is in commuting mode.