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Old 12-13-17, 02:46 PM
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Albuquerque is #1 !

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Not that I'm trying to compete for that title, however:

Florida's bike death rate highest in nation
BY EMERSON BRITO
Tribune staff Published: August 29, 2015
Updated: August 30, 2015 at 04:14 PM
Florida's bike death rate highest in nation | tbo.com

The report released earlier this month by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finds that Florida has the highest rate of bicycling deaths of any state in the nation — 0.57 per 100,000 people, more than double the nationwide rate of 0.23 per 100,000.
That's 5.7 per million for the state of Florida. Not sure how that jives with the data showing Albuquerque as being higher in the same year. Maybe New Mexico's state average is lower?

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Originally Posted by Roadwanderer
Not that I'm trying to compete for that title,
Awwww.... go for it!

Originally Posted by Roadwanderer
Not sure how that jives with the data showing Albuquerque as being higher in the same year. Maybe Arizona's state average is lower?
Albuquerque moved to New Mexico a few years ago. I think there's a lot less bicycling outside the big cities in NM. I bicycled from DC to Key Worst about 35 years and felt safe the whole way.
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It's still really fun to say and spell Albuquerque though!
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And mr B. Bunny still regrets not making a left turn there.
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Originally Posted by Arthur Peabody
Awwww.... go for it!



Albuquerque moved to New Mexico a few years ago. I think there's a lot less bicycling outside the big cities in NM. I bicycled from DC to Key Worst about 35 years and felt safe the whole way.
Gaaahhh!!!!

I meant New Mexico. (Used all my extra brainpower spelling Albuquerque. )
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According to 24/7 Wallstreet:

31. Boston, MA
> Bicyclist fatality rate: 0.0 per 1 million people
> Bicyclist fatalities: 0
> Population: 667,137
> Total traffic fatalities: 14 (21.0 per 1 million people)
> Working-age population commuting by bike: 2.4%

Except in reality, remember their names:

2015-05-19 Fritz Philogene (driver pled guilty, sentenced to 8-10 years)
2015-06-06 Yadielys Delone Camacho (driver pled guilty, sentenced to 7-8 years)
2015-08-07 Anita Kurmann (crash still under "investigation")

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Originally Posted by Roadwanderer
Not that I'm trying to compete for that title, however:

That's 5.7 per million for the state of Florida. Not sure how that jives with the data showing Albuquerque as being higher in the same year. Maybe New Mexico's state average is lower?
Somewhere I heard or read that Hillsborough Co. FL (where I live) had the highest vehicle related deaths in the nation. That includes people dying in cars, pedestrians and cyclist due to vehicular collisions. Not that I'm competing either.
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
It's still really fun to say and spell Albuquerque though!
Albuquerque is a turkey,
And he's feathered and he's fine.
And he wobbles, and he gobbles,
And he's absolutely mine.

He's the best pet that you can get,
Better than a dog or cat.
Albuquerque, he's my turkey,
And I'm awfully glad of that.

Albuquerque, he's my turkey,
He's so cozy in his bed,
Because for our Thanksgiving dinner,
We had scrambled eggs instead.
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Originally Posted by Arthur Peabody
I am not surprised to see my nearby ghetto city is #8 on the list. Most of the close passes, horn honking, and other bad driver behavior that I have observed while riding a bike has come from cagers with those license plates.
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Without any information as to fault/cause, this info. is somewhat useless. If someone is, say, cycling drunk, blows a red light and gets whacked, that's not evidence that my city is unsafe.
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The data is per total population. It is not normalized for number of cyclist hours or miles. For example of where this could be a factor: Southern states tend to have many more days and hours of good cycling conditions (dry, warm) vs. north. Some states may have more % of cyclists than others.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
The data is per total population. It is not normalized for number of cyclist hours or miles. For example of where this could be a factor: Southern states tend to have many more days and hours of good cycling conditions (dry, warm) vs. north. Some states may have more % of cyclists than others.
You beat me to making this point. Fatalities or crashes per million miles or million hours of riding would be far more useful, but a much more difficult statistic to obtain.

I'd settle for per number of bike tires or even inner tubes sold, perhaps, as that should correlate pretty highly with relative amount of cycling being done. Probably better than even number of bikes sold.
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Old 12-14-17, 02:12 PM
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24/7 Wallstreet couldn't even get the numerator right!

After that, worry about the denominator.

And after that, worry about consistency. (2015 crashes / 2016 population estimates)

This is a very very lazy listicle by 24/7 Wallstreet.
It's an even lazier blog entry by Forbes.

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Old 12-14-17, 02:15 PM
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On top of that, the actual number of total fatalities is so low, it is hard to control for random chance.

Albuquerque has 560,000 people. 8.9 per million is from 5 deaths. 5 cyclists could die in a single collision. If next year there is only 1 death, does that mean it got 5 times safer to ride there?
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Originally Posted by Kontact
On top of that, the actual number of total fatalities is so low, it is hard to control for random chance.

Albuquerque has 560,000 people. 8.9 per million is from 5 deaths. 5 cyclists could die in a single collision. If next year there is only 1 death, does that mean it got 5 times safer to ride there?
That's the trouble with studies on cycling safety. Very low numerators. Inaccurate denominators.
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Makes you wonder why those cities are so dangerous.
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Makes you wonder why those cities are so dangerous.
Are they dangerous?
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Non-fatal crashes contribute to the danger level but aren't considered in this report. The bottom line is that there's too little data to draw solid conclusions about many aspects of bicycling safety.
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