Match Sprint tactic question
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Match Sprint tactic question
I have an apponent that would be faster than me for 5-10 seconds. i might be faster than him for 50 seconds. Do i give up or is there some way i might pull off a win?
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yeah there's a tatic called Kilo-ing.
You go from the gun.
With a little start line trickery, you can delay their reaction or realization about what you're doing, bust open a big gap, and force them to work for 3 whole laps.
You go from the gun.
With a little start line trickery, you can delay their reaction or realization about what you're doing, bust open a big gap, and force them to work for 3 whole laps.
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thanks for that advice and the video. that was pretty cool
. i never thought i would see an example of that actually working. but how did he get such a jump? the element of surprise i suppose. i guess most times the stronger rider jumps on the wheel of the first rider and enjoys the draft. but if it's the only shot i got then it's the one i take.
. i never thought i would see an example of that actually working. but how did he get such a jump? the element of surprise i suppose. i guess most times the stronger rider jumps on the wheel of the first rider and enjoys the draft. but if it's the only shot i got then it's the one i take.
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In order to make this work though, you need to have a really powerful start and high top speed already, basically be a sprinter with good 6-8 second power, then be able to hold it. If you're not already pretty explosive and fast and your opponent is, he'll just catch you and ride your wheel.
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thanks for that advice and the video. that was pretty cool
. i never thought i would see an example of that actually working. but how did he get such a jump? the element of surprise i suppose. i guess most times the stronger rider jumps on the wheel of the first rider and enjoys the draft. but if it's the only shot i got then it's the one i take.
. i never thought i would see an example of that actually working. but how did he get such a jump? the element of surprise i suppose. i guess most times the stronger rider jumps on the wheel of the first rider and enjoys the draft. but if it's the only shot i got then it's the one i take.
It may sound weird that way, but a similar dynamic is what is in play when "pure sprinters" are dropped in mass start races. Sure, a local/regional sprinter can instantaneously hit over 70kph/43mph but can he hold 60kph/37mph for 2 laps?
That tactic has worked against me by a pro roadie. I qualified faster than him and was capable of more power and top speed. From the jump he took off and I followed in his draft with plans of making an easy pass later on the home straight. But, he kept mildly accelerating in the saddle past the point where I could add anything by making a hard jump out of the saddle. I stood up and had to sit right back down. He won.
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If the opponent of which you speak is a "pure sprinter" with high % of fast twitch fibers, the other option is to lead from the front and slowly but consistently accelerate, but don't outright jump out of the saddle. This will fool many inexperienced sprinters and lull them into accelerating past a speed where they can make a powerful jump while slowly burn their "matches" (using anaerobic power).
It may sound weird that way, but a similar dynamic is what is in play when "pure sprinters" are dropped in mass start races. Sure, a local/regional sprinter can instantaneously hit over 70kph/43mph but can he hold 60kph/37mph for 2 laps?
That tactic has worked against me by a pro roadie. I qualified faster than him and was capable of more power and top speed. From the jump he took off and I followed in his draft with plans of making an easy pass later on the home straight. But, he kept mildly accelerating in the saddle past the point where I could add anything by making a hard jump out of the saddle. I stood up and had to sit right back down. He won.
It may sound weird that way, but a similar dynamic is what is in play when "pure sprinters" are dropped in mass start races. Sure, a local/regional sprinter can instantaneously hit over 70kph/43mph but can he hold 60kph/37mph for 2 laps?
That tactic has worked against me by a pro roadie. I qualified faster than him and was capable of more power and top speed. From the jump he took off and I followed in his draft with plans of making an easy pass later on the home straight. But, he kept mildly accelerating in the saddle past the point where I could add anything by making a hard jump out of the saddle. I stood up and had to sit right back down. He won.
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It may sound weird that way, but a similar dynamic is what is in play when "pure sprinters" are dropped in mass start races. Sure, a local/regional sprinter can instantaneously hit over 70kph/43mph but can he hold 60kph/37mph for 2 laps?
That tactic has worked against me by a pro roadie. I qualified faster than him and was capable of more power and top speed. From the jump he took off and I followed in his draft with plans of making an easy pass later on the home straight. But, he kept mildly accelerating in the saddle past the point where I could add anything by making a hard jump out of the saddle. I stood up and had to sit right back down. He won.
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In order to make this work though, you need to have a really powerful start and high top speed already, basically be a sprinter with good 6-8 second power, then be able to hold it. If you're not already pretty explosive and fast and your opponent is, he'll just catch you and ride your wheel.
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If the opponent of which you speak is a "pure sprinter" with high % of fast twitch fibers, the other option is to lead from the front and slowly but consistently accelerate, but don't outright jump out of the saddle. This will fool many inexperienced sprinters and lull them into accelerating past a speed where they can make a powerful jump while slowly burn their "matches" (using anaerobic power).
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In order to make this work though, you need to have a really powerful start and high top speed already, basically be a sprinter with good 6-8 second power, then be able to hold it. If you're not already pretty explosive and fast and your opponent is, he'll just catch you and ride your wheel.
there's another video, which i couldn't find, or forstemann just barely holding somebody off (hoy?) with the same tactic, but it all comes down to what happens on the start line: forstemann lines up high on the track. at the whistle, his holder holds him for a moment; his opponent rolls forward a few feet, and forstemann's holder gives him a sturdy throw.
the delay gives forstemann a few more meters to add speed and catch his opponent off guard, and as 3 laps come down to essentially a bike throw, it makes all the difference.
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yes. the trick is to get people to jump, but then to beat them to the corner and force them wide, while always having just a hair more to give. works better the shorter the track, too.
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Not sure which one is correct.
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i was thinking about the razor. can they be fast paced and slow paced? I've only seen fast. I would want a fast pace to fatigue my opponent but he can keep iti slow if he wants to, can't he?
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Tactics are just techniques applied to your opponent. They can be used at any speed.
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If your opponent wants to keep it slow, and you're going fast, then the race is looking pretty good for you...
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Random fact. The word y'all's has two apostrophes...and is spelled correctly.
As in,
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[pause]
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[pause]
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Additionally, I think the "all" in "all y'all" is really just an intensifier as y'all is obviously already plural. I love that we're talking grammar here. By the way THANK YOU to everyone here for generally having excellent grammar! So many pet peeves violated daily and obliviously on social media...
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Additionally, I think the "all" in "all y'all" is really just an intensifier as y'all is obviously already plural. I love that we're talking grammar here. By the way THANK YOU to everyone here for generally having excellent grammar! So many pet peeves violated daily and obliviously on social media...
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